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Import Outlook Express Identities

J

Jeffery Jones

#1
I have installed Windows Live Mail onto XP SP3 (from Outlook Express).
It found and imported the primary identity.

Now I find that
1.) It doesn't import identities. (I used identities to separate
groups of email addresses and functions).

Creating separate Windows Users to separate email groups is not an
option.

2.) Even if I wanted to import another identity to the current
identity, this does not work - The Import Wizard just produces a
message:

"Identity Import"
"Windows Live Mail was unable to complete the task".

Any ideas? I'm not hopeful that I could manage all those
subfolders correctly after they are jumbled together anyway.
 
E

Earle Horton

#2
Make a new folder in WLM, "Identity A". Move all your imported mail to that
folder.

Go back to Outlook Express. Make some other Identity the Primary Identity.
Log in to the new Primary Identity. Quit Outlook Express. Start WLM,
Import from Outlook Express. It "should" import all the messages from the
new Primary Identity. Move all this mail into folder "Identity B". Repeat
until done.

--
Earle Horton -- earleh@xxxxxx

"Jeffery Jones" <keineverbung@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:5777g49ln13djmgilc5rrhfs3ns9m1o259@xxxxxx

>I have installed Windows Live Mail onto XP SP3 (from Outlook Express).
> It found and imported the primary identity.
>
> Now I find that
> 1.) It doesn't import identities. (I used identities to separate
> groups of email addresses and functions).
>
> Creating separate Windows Users to separate email groups is not an
> option.
>
> 2.) Even if I wanted to import another identity to the current
> identity, this does not work - The Import Wizard just produces a
> message:
>
> "Identity Import"
> "Windows Live Mail was unable to complete the task".
>
> Any ideas? I'm not hopeful that I could manage all those
> subfolders correctly after they are jumbled together anyway.
 
N

N. Miller

#3
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:30:08 -0400, Jeffery Jones wrote:

> I have installed Windows Live Mail onto XP SP3 (from Outlook Express).
> It found and imported the primary identity.
>
> Now I find that
> 1.) It doesn't import identities. (I used identities to separate
> groups of email addresses and functions).
Windows Live Mail does not understand the concept of "Identities". It will
import from the, presumably, the default Identity. I have not played with
Earle Horton's suggestion, which apparently requires changing which MSOE
Idenity is the "default" Identity.

> Creating separate Windows Users to separate email groups is not an
> option.
Bummer.

> 2.) Even if I wanted to import another identity to the current
> identity, this does not work - The Import Wizard just produces a
> message:
>
> "Identity Import"
> "Windows Live Mail was unable to complete the task".
>
> Any ideas? I'm not hopeful that I could manage all those
> subfolders correctly after they are jumbled together anyway.
I am not hopeful that you will succeed; but I am not about to try. Windows
Live Mail creates a folder structure per account, even for POP3 accounts. I
am not really sure how to manage many more accounts than I have already
created in Windows Live Mail. MSFT decided to make changes in how the client
handles multiple accounts. I guess we will just have to adjust to those
changes.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
 
W

...winston

#4
Separate from identities and using subfolders(cf. Earle's post) for importing different(default modified OE identities), you may
also have to manually resolve importing data OE's address book/Contact data since groups, available data fields for an address book
entry, and duplicate addresses within an individual address book entry are handled differently or not supported in WLM as they were
in OE.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"Jeffery Jones" <keineverbung@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:5777g49ln13djmgilc5rrhfs3ns9m1o259@xxxxxx

> I have installed Windows Live Mail onto XP SP3 (from Outlook Express).
> It found and imported the primary identity.
>
> Now I find that
> 1.) It doesn't import identities. (I used identities to separate
> groups of email addresses and functions).
>
> Creating separate Windows Users to separate email groups is not an
> option.
>
> 2.) Even if I wanted to import another identity to the current
> identity, this does not work - The Import Wizard just produces a
> message:
>
> "Identity Import"
> "Windows Live Mail was unable to complete the task".
>
> Any ideas? I'm not hopeful that I could manage all those
> subfolders correctly after they are jumbled together anyway.
 
J

Jeffery Jones

#5
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:11:45 -0600, "Earle Horton" <earleh@xxxxxx>
wrote:

>Make a new folder in WLM, "Identity A". Move all your imported mail to that
>folder.
>
>Go back to Outlook Express. Make some other Identity the Primary Identity.
>Log in to the new Primary Identity. Quit Outlook Express. Start WLM,
>Import from Outlook Express. It "should" import all the messages from the
>new Primary Identity. Move all this mail into folder "Identity B". Repeat
>until done.
Thanks! It looks like I can use this method. That gave me an idea.
I didn't exactly follow these steps - I wanted to try to fully obtain
the old "Identities" function.
Closed WLM
Renamed folder "Windows Live Mail" in my C:\Documents and
Settings\{login}\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\ to
"Windows Live Mail1", then created a new "Windows Live Mail" folder.
Started WLM. It created the bare folders, db, etc that it needs
to run. Sweet!
Import another OE identity.

So I manually have the functionality by renaming the WLM folder. Now
to create an exec program to manage the folder identity rename when
WLM terminates. The only risk I can think of is where a future
version of WLM would need to upgade the mail DB format during install
and doesn't upgrade the other identities. Hopefully they'll do this
at run time when the program starts instead of at install time.

I realized that I have really used the identtity feature to the
max - with different mail rules to presort into folders for different
identities. It would be awkward to try to merge all those mail rules
and folders.
 
J

Jeffery Jones

#6
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:36:53 -0400, "...winston"
<winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote:

>Separate from identities and using subfolders(cf. Earle's post) for importing different(default modified OE identities), you may
>also have to manually resolve importing data OE's address book/Contact data since groups, available data fields for an address book
>entry, and duplicate addresses within an individual address book entry are handled differently or not supported in WLM as they were
>in OE.
Luckily I didn't have many contacts in my address book, so I can
manually fix this up after importing.
 
J

Jeffery Jones

#7
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:40:44 -0400, Jeffery Jones
<keineverbung@xxxxxx> wrote:

> So I manually have the functionality by renaming the WLM folder. Now
>to create an exec program to manage the folder identity rename when
>WLM terminates.
Down in flames - the mail filter rules and other settings are in the
registry, and some of them conflict. There's not a "rename registry
key" function, so I'm not comfortable trying this.

So it's back to the beginning. If I migrate, I'll just have to
accept that I will have tons of folders under a top level identity as
outlined by Earle, then try to rework all mail filtering rules and
hope that there are no duplicates. It would be good to be able to
automatically keep Sent messages separate by identity as well.
 
R

Ron Sommer

#8
Each account will have its own folders.
Why would your want to have to use messages rules to move mail from
different accounts to one account's folders?

You can File, Import and point to different store folders, so I don't see
the point of having to change the default Identity in OE.
--
Ronald Sommer

"Jeffery Jones" <keineverbung@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:9d29g490bdpd1joj5b3a4bui5f9cfukijv@xxxxxx

> On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:40:44 -0400, Jeffery Jones
> <keineverbung@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

>> So I manually have the functionality by renaming the WLM folder. Now
>>to create an exec program to manage the folder identity rename when
>>WLM terminates.
>
> Down in flames - the mail filter rules and other settings are in the
> registry, and some of them conflict. There's not a "rename registry
> key" function, so I'm not comfortable trying this.
>
> So it's back to the beginning. If I migrate, I'll just have to
> accept that I will have tons of folders under a top level identity as
> outlined by Earle, then try to rework all mail filtering rules and
> hope that there are no duplicates. It would be good to be able to
> automatically keep Sent messages separate by identity as well.
 
J

Jeffery Jones

#9
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:52:07 -0500, "Ron Sommer"
<rsommer@xxxxxx> wrote:

>Each account will have its own folders.
>Why would your want to have to use messages rules to move mail from
>different accounts to one account's folders?
I missed the account per folder feature of WLM - that was not in OE.
So I might be able to bring it all in, but I will need to manually
recreate all message rules from all identities - only the message
rules from the primary identity are migrated automatically.

>You can File, Import and point to different store folders, so I don't see
>the point of having to change the default Identity in OE.
It would just save several hours of migration time - I'm not the
only one to wish that they still had it. There is this product for
Identities in Windows Mail - http://www.oehelp.com/WMIDs/Default.aspx
, but it doesn't look like it supports WLM.
 
E

Earle Horton

#11
Outlook 2007 allows one to "Setup multiple profiles of e-mail accounts and
data files. Typically, you only need one." I have never used this feature,
but it seems to be the sort of thing you are looking for. Setting up
Outlook Profiles is accessible in XP via Control Panel. Imho, people who do
Serious Stuff with their e-mail should be using a commercial program, like
Outlook. WLM is free for the download, and therefore not imho a commercial
program.

If you really have that much e-mail either you don't have a real life or
your business/livelihood/charitable activity is based on e-mail. Either
way, Outlook is worth some consideration.

--
Earle Horton -- earleh@xxxxxx

"Jeffery Jones" <keineverbung@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:52:07 -0500, "Ron Sommer"
> <rsommer@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

>>Each account will have its own folders.
>>Why would your want to have to use messages rules to move mail from
>>different accounts to one account's folders?
>
> I missed the account per folder feature of WLM - that was not in OE.
> So I might be able to bring it all in, but I will need to manually
> recreate all message rules from all identities - only the message
> rules from the primary identity are migrated automatically.
>

>>You can File, Import and point to different store folders, so I don't see
>>the point of having to change the default Identity in OE.
>
> It would just save several hours of migration time - I'm not the
> only one to wish that they still had it. There is this product for
> Identities in Windows Mail - http://www.oehelp.com/WMIDs/Default.aspx
> , but it doesn't look like it supports WLM.
 
J

Jeffery Jones

#12
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:10:25 -0600, "Earle Horton" <earleh@xxxxxx>
wrote:

>Outlook 2007 allows one to "Setup multiple profiles of e-mail accounts and
>data files. Typically, you only need one." I have never used this feature,
>but it seems to be the sort of thing you are looking for. Setting up
>Outlook Profiles is accessible in XP via Control Panel. Imho, people who do
>Serious Stuff with their e-mail should be using a commercial program, like
>Outlook. WLM is free for the download, and therefore not imho a commercial
>program.
I was soured on Outlook from trying to use Outlook 2000. I own
Outlook 2003 and 2007 via Office, but I would never use it. I won't
list the negatives here, but I also don't need the calendar or
groupware functions of Outlook. In that respect Outlook Express and
WLM fit the bill very well.

>If you really have that much e-mail either you don't have a real life or
>your business/livelihood/charitable activity is based on e-mail. Either
>way, Outlook is worth some consideration.
Some of it is volunteer work, and I used the Identities feature to
keep Sent, Inbox, and Deleted and message rules well isolated from
each other. In addition, I could package an identity and ship it to
another volunteer for historical reference.

WLM appears to be very well written to streamline mail access. I
haven't looked at it in detail, but I'm hoping for the possibility of
developing plugins and having the capability for mail filters that can
filter on header contents, not just specific header fields.