Installation hangs before first setup screen appears

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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

I'm trying to install Vista build 5308, booting from a DVD. I get to the
screen with the little progress bar animating near the bottom, then a blank
screen and no further activity.

This is a recent vintage machine: P4, 2.8Ghz, 1Gb RAM, 200Gb SATA hard
drive, DVD & CD-ROM drives, nVidia 5600 FX video. All components are
known-good (had Svr2k3 running previously).

Ideas? Suggestions?

I can dig up more details on chipsets, etc., if that'd help.

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Zack Whittaker

Try reburning the ISO image from either Connect/MSDN on a really slow burn,
such as 2x speed. If that doesn't help, re-download the ISO and reburn at 2x
speed.

If that fails, report back soldier! :oP

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"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:[email protected]
> I'm trying to install Vista build 5308, booting from a DVD. I get to the
> screen with the little progress bar animating near the bottom, then a
> blank screen and no further activity.
>
> This is a recent vintage machine: P4, 2.8Ghz, 1Gb RAM, 200Gb SATA hard
> drive, DVD & CD-ROM drives, nVidia 5600 FX video. All components are
> known-good (had Svr2k3 running previously).
>
> Ideas? Suggestions?
>
> I can dig up more details on chipsets, etc., if that'd help.
>
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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Zack Whittaker wrote:
> Try reburning the ISO image from either Connect/MSDN on a really slow
> burn, such as 2x speed. If that doesn't help, re-download the ISO and
> reburn at 2x speed.
>
> If that fails, report back soldier! :oP


Unfortunately, I don't have the ISO image anymore - I'll download another
copy just to be sure, but it seems like an unlikely cause - I've never had
an issue with downloaded file intregrity or readability of a burned DVD on
this hardware.

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

Try burning the ISO also with a different brand media, or even reattempt the
install, if you have not. I got a failed install on the first attemtp,
second try it installed without a hitch. I use TDK or Verbatim DVD Blanks.
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"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:[email protected]
> Zack Whittaker wrote:
>> Try reburning the ISO image from either Connect/MSDN on a really slow
>> burn, such as 2x speed. If that doesn't help, re-download the ISO and
>> reburn at 2x speed.
>>
>> If that fails, report back soldier! :oP

>
> Unfortunately, I don't have the ISO image anymore - I'll download another
> copy just to be sure, but it seems like an unlikely cause - I've never had
> an issue with downloaded file intregrity or readability of a burned DVD on
> this hardware.
>
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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> Try burning the ISO also with a different brand media, or even
> reattempt the install, if you have not. I got a failed install on the
> first attemtp, second try it installed without a hitch. I use TDK or
> Verbatim DVD Blanks. --


I've tried several times with this disc with identical results - and there's
no indication at all that reading from the DVD is in any way related. But
just in case - I've downloaded a new ISO image, verified the SHA1 hash of
that ISO and will burn a new DVD tomorrow and try again.

Any theories besides media issues? Is there anything resembling a
comprehensive list of supported hardware for build 5308?

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Peter Foldes

Try the install in Safe Mode. If it goes then start looking for the culprit (Hardware)

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"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>> Try burning the ISO also with a different brand media, or even
>> reattempt the install, if you have not. I got a failed install on the
>> first attemtp, second try it installed without a hitch. I use TDK or
>> Verbatim DVD Blanks. --

>
> I've tried several times with this disc with identical results - and there's
> no indication at all that reading from the DVD is in any way related. But
> just in case - I've downloaded a new ISO image, verified the SHA1 hash of
> that ISO and will burn a new DVD tomorrow and try again.
>
> Any theories besides media issues? Is there anything resembling a
> comprehensive list of supported hardware for build 5308?
>
> -cd
>
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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Peter Foldes wrote:
> Try the install in Safe Mode. If it goes then start looking for the
> culprit (Hardware)


If I got to the point where the install gives me any option, that sounds
like a fine idea - but it's hanging before the first opportunity to
interact, at least as far as I can tell - unless there are secret silent
options that can be invoked during the early part of the setup....?

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

I notice that the product key used can also cause failure, if you have
access to another product key try that. As Peter mentioned, it could be a
hardware issue, if you have external devices such as USB Printers, scanners
or external drives connected, remove them and reattempt the setup.
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"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:%23UKNW%[email protected]
> Peter Foldes wrote:
>> Try the install in Safe Mode. If it goes then start looking for the
>> culprit (Hardware)

>
> If I got to the point where the install gives me any option, that sounds
> like a fine idea - but it's hanging before the first opportunity to
> interact, at least as far as I can tell - unless there are secret silent
> options that can be invoked during the early part of the setup....?
>
> -cd
>
>
 

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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> I notice that the product key used can also cause failure, if you have
> access to another product key try that. As Peter mentioned, it could
> be a hardware issue, if you have external devices such as USB
> Printers, scanners or external drives connected, remove them and
> reattempt the setup. --


It fails before getting anywhere near the point that I can enter a product
key. There's no hardware connected other than what I listed in the original
post.

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AJR

Just a thought - are you, or have you tried, installing within XP?


"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:[email protected]
> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>> I notice that the product key used can also cause failure, if you have
>> access to another product key try that. As Peter mentioned, it could
>> be a hardware issue, if you have external devices such as USB
>> Printers, scanners or external drives connected, remove them and
>> reattempt the setup. --

>
> It fails before getting anywhere near the point that I can enter a product
> key. There's no hardware connected other than what I listed in the
> original post.
>
> -cd
>
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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

"AJR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just a thought - are you, or have you tried, installing within XP?


No and No. The machine is currently not bootable (no OS) - but I could try
installing XP on it and then installing Vista over that. Perhaps I'll try
that if my newly made DVD fails like the first does.

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AJR

Reason I asked is that it was the only way I could install Vista (but not
"over" XP -on another drive- resulted in dual boot).

"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:%[email protected]
> "AJR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Just a thought - are you, or have you tried, installing within XP?

>
> No and No. The machine is currently not bootable (no OS) - but I could
> try installing XP on it and then installing Vista over that. Perhaps I'll
> try that if my newly made DVD fails like the first does.
>
> -cd
>
>
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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

AJR wrote:
> Reason I asked is that it was the only way I could install Vista (but
> not "over" XP -on another drive- resulted in dual boot).


That worked for me as well. A new, slowly burned, SHA-1 verified DVD made
no difference, so I installed XP on the machine and then installed Vista
from XP. It did take a awfully long time (~2 hours) to install, but in the
end, it did work.

So far, I'm extremely unimpressed - the performance is beyond terrible and
the OS is so buggy that it's not even funny - even for a pre-Beta 2 CTP it's
bad.

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Zack Whittaker

Actually 5342 and above addresses the performance quite nicely :o)
It even runs relatively well with Glass on my 256MB RAM machine ;o)

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rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--
"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:uEt%[email protected]
> AJR wrote:
>> Reason I asked is that it was the only way I could install Vista (but
>> not "over" XP -on another drive- resulted in dual boot).

>
> That worked for me as well. A new, slowly burned, SHA-1 verified DVD made
> no difference, so I installed XP on the machine and then installed Vista
> from XP. It did take a awfully long time (~2 hours) to install, but in
> the end, it did work.
>
> So far, I'm extremely unimpressed - the performance is beyond terrible and
> the OS is so buggy that it's not even funny - even for a pre-Beta 2 CTP
> it's bad.
>
> -cd
>
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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Zack Whittaker wrote:
> Actually 5342 and above addresses the performance quite nicely :o)
> It even runs relatively well with Glass on my 256MB RAM machine ;o)


Cool. I'm downloading 5365 from the Connect site right now. Can I do WinFX
development on that build? I was under the impression that the current
WinFX/SDK bits were specific for 5308, which is why I installed that build.

Finally, should I expect a 5308 -> 5365 upgrade install to work, or am I
looking at scraping the machine down to bare metal and starting over?

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

WinFX is installed by default, the WDK is available on Connect Page also.
Clean install only, no upgrade from 5308 to 5365.
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"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:%235Vv4P%[email protected]
> Zack Whittaker wrote:
>> Actually 5342 and above addresses the performance quite nicely :o)
>> It even runs relatively well with Glass on my 256MB RAM machine ;o)

>
> Cool. I'm downloading 5365 from the Connect site right now. Can I do
> WinFX development on that build? I was under the impression that the
> current WinFX/SDK bits were specific for 5308, which is why I installed
> that build.
>
> Finally, should I expect a 5308 -> 5365 upgrade install to work, or am I
> looking at scraping the machine down to bare metal and starting over?
>
> -cd
>
>
>
 

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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> WinFX is installed by default, the WDK is available on Connect Page
> also. Clean install only, no upgrade from 5308 to 5365.


The WDK is for driver deveopment only - it's the Windows SDK and the Visual
Studio Orcas CTP that I'm concerned about. I guess I'm just going to have
to try it as 5308 is unusable.

I'll be burning a dvd of 5365 this afternoon - maybe this one will install
right off the DVD without installing XP first.

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

The SDK is only synched with CTP releases, not interim releases, so you will
have use 5308 if you want access to the latest SDK available to Vista.
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"Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:[email protected]
> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>> WinFX is installed by default, the WDK is available on Connect Page
>> also. Clean install only, no upgrade from 5308 to 5365.

>
> The WDK is for driver deveopment only - it's the Windows SDK and the
> Visual Studio Orcas CTP that I'm concerned about. I guess I'm just going
> to have to try it as 5308 is unusable.
>
> I'll be burning a dvd of 5365 this afternoon - maybe this one will install
> right off the DVD without installing XP first.
>
> -cd
>
>
>
>
 

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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> The SDK is only synched with CTP releases, not interim releases, so
> you will have use 5308 if you want access to the latest SDK available
> to Vista. --


That's what I was afraid of. I may not actually need the SDK - as long as
the WinFX bits are there and the Orcas CTP works. I think I'll give it a
try - it's either that, or wait for the next sync'd release 'cause 5308 is
unusable.

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Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]

Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP] wrote:
> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>> The SDK is only synched with CTP releases, not interim releases, so
>> you will have use 5308 if you want access to the latest SDK available
>> to Vista. --

>
> That's what I was afraid of. I may not actually need the SDK - as
> long as the WinFX bits are there and the Orcas CTP works. I think I'll
> give it a try - it's either that, or wait for the next sync'd
> release 'cause 5308 is unusable.


Well, I must say - 5365 is a gigantic improvement over 5308. Still rough in
places, but getting there. Hopefully I can get enough dev bits to work on
this build to make some progress on the project that started all this!

Thanks for the help, all who responded!

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