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Moving boot files from one drive to another.

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david manvell

#1
I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original drive.

How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the first
hard drive?
 

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#2
I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original drive.

How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the first
hard drive?
Hi David,

If the partition with XP on was set as the Active partition when you
run the Vista installer, it will have written Vista's boot files on that partition. If you format or remove the XP partition, you lose Vista's ability to boot.

I don't know if you can copy the bootmgr and boot folder in the way you are suggesting, as I've never tried it...perhaps someone else does .

The normal way to replace Vista's bootloader ( sometimes because it has been replaced by replaced by XP's - if it's installed after Vista ) is to use the MS install dvd to do startup repair - you might try that with just the second hd attached and the Vista partition set to active.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91467-startup-repair.html

Or, as this is a recent Vista install , you may prefer to reinstall from scratch just using the second hd.

I believe you can't "upgrade " in the sense of doing an upgrade install when going from XP pro x64 to Vista - you have to do a clean install. In which case tho. you may have paid an "upgrade" price , you actually have the full version dvd ?

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/117366-clean-install-full-version-vista.html

Hope this helps

SIW2
 

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david manvell

#3
"SIW2" wrote:

> If the partition with XP on was set as the Active partition when you
> run the Vista installer, it will have written Vista's boot files on
> that partition. If you format or remove the XP partition, you lose
> Vista's ability to boot.
>
> I don't know if you can copy the bootmgr and boot folder in the way you
> are suggesting, as I've never tried it...perhaps someone else does .
>
> The normal way to replace Vista's bootloader ( sometimes because it has
> been replaced by replaced by XP's - if it's installed after Vista ) is
> to use the MS install dvd to do startup repair - you might try that
> with just the second hd attached and the Vista partition set to active.
>
> http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91467-startup-repair.html
>
> Or, as this is a recent Vista install , you may prefer to reinstall
> from scratch just using the second hd.
>
> I believe you can't "upgrade " in the sense of doing an upgrade install
> when going from XP pro x64 to Vista - you have to do a clean install. In
> which case tho. you may have paid an "upgrade" price , you actually have
> the full version dvd ?
>
> http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/117366-clean-install-full-version-vista.html
>
> Hope this helps
>
> SIW2
Both my XP64 and my Vista 64 partitions are listed as Active partitions. I
can try to do the repair and see how it goes. Always scary you will lose
everything when messing with that stuff.

When you go from xp64 to vista 64 it is counted as an upgrade from a
licensing stand point as I had to have the xp64 on my system in order for the
upgrade to proceed but it only does the upgrade as a clean install. It would
not overwrite the xp64 when it did it.
 

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#4
You can't move the boot partition of Windows easily. It is usually C:. You could image the drive to a new drive. Best way is a backup and clean install.
 

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#5
David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.

Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.


"david manvell" <davidmanvell@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:3584B59F-FA37-499A-8579-1D0AEB173C9D@xxxxxx

>I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
> has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
> ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
> duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
> hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
> system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
> drive.
>
> How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
> the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
> first
> hard drive?
>
 

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david manvell

#6
"AJR" wrote:

> David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
> BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
> selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.
>
> Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
> VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.
>
>
> "david manvell" <davidmanvell@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:3584B59F-FA37-499A-8579-1D0AEB173C9D@xxxxxx

> >I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
> > has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
> > ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
> > duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
> > hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
> > system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
> > drive.
> >
> > How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
> > the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
> > first
> > hard drive?
I'm making some progress.

Right now VistBoot pro 3.3 is telling me the following:

Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier {bootmgr}
device partition=C:
description Windows Boot Manager
locale en-US
inherit {globalsettings}
default {current}
displayorder {current}
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
timeout 30

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {current}
device partition=J:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
osdevice partition=J:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {c98a4d4c-b9c3-11dc-9554-c22fb0668d69}
nx OptIn


So I have successfully removed the older Windows XP64 off of the boot loader
but the Boot manager is still on the C: drive instead of the J: Drive where
Windows Vista x64 is located. I cannot seem to find a way to move the Boot
Manager to the J: so I can yank the C: drive out completely. If VistaBoot pro
3.3 will do that or not i have not figured out how.

I cannot find my original Vista disks anywhere to do a system repair. Is
there a way to recreate or move the Boot Manager to the J: drive without the
Windows Vista disk or can I get a replacement copy of my Vista disk from
microsoft?

Can I use my older Windows XP Professional x64 disks to do a repair and
create a Boot manager on the J: ?
 

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#7
"AJR" wrote:

> David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
> BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
> selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.
>
> Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
> VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.
>
>
> "david manvell" <davidmanvell@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:3584B59F-FA37-499A-8579-1D0AEB173C9D@xxxxxx

> >I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
> > has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
> > ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
> > duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
> > hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
> > system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
> > drive.
> >
> > How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
> > the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
> > first
> > hard drive?
I'm making some progress.

Right now VistBoot pro 3.3 is telling me the following:

Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier {bootmgr}
device partition=C:
description Windows Boot Manager
locale en-US
inherit {globalsettings}
default {current}
displayorder {current}
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
timeout 30

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {current}
device partition=J:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
osdevice partition=J:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {c98a4d4c-b9c3-11dc-9554-c22fb0668d69}
nx OptIn


So I have successfully removed the older Windows XP64 off of the boot loader
but the Boot manager is still on the C: drive instead of the J: Drive where
Windows Vista x64 is located. I cannot seem to find a way to move the Boot
Manager to the J: so I can yank the C: drive out completely. If VistaBoot pro
3.3 will do that or not i have not figured out how.

I cannot find my original Vista disks anywhere to do a system repair. Is
there a way to recreate or move the Boot Manager to the J: drive without the
Windows Vista disk or can I get a replacement copy of my Vista disk from
microsoft?

Can I use my older Windows XP Professional x64 disks to do a repair and
create a Boot manager on the J: ?

Hi,

MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product key though

Windows Vista Alternate Media

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/85023-product-key-number.html

Hope that helps

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#9
"david manvell" wrote:

> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
> > key though
> >
> > 'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
> > (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx)
> >
> > http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/85023-product-key-number.html
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > SIW2
> >
> >
> > --
> > SIW2
> >
>
> "We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:
> The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."
>
> Any suggestions?
>
Bah I called Microsoft directly and after an hour of haggling with them
finally got them to send me a replacement disk. $50.40 ($25.00 was to have it
shipped 1-3 days instead of the 10 day shipping method).

Now just have to wait for the disk to get here.

There is no other way to have the Boot manager written to the J: drive
without the windows installation disk?
 

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#10
>

> Hi,
>
> MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
> key though
>
> 'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
> (Windows Vista Alternate Media)
>
> http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/85023-product-key-number.html
>
> Hope that helps
>
> SIW2
>
>
> --
> SIW2
>
"We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:
The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."

Any suggestions?
Hi,

That's odd - if you used the product that you installed Vista with - they clearly say you can do it if you bought a retail dvd i.e. separate from your pc ( it doesn't work for the pre -nstalled oem laptops with prod key stickered on the side ). I have heard of people having to try it a few times, though.

The alternative is to download a free recovery disk image and burn it to cd . I believe it gives the same startup repair options as the MS dvd. (When you find your MS dvd , use isorecorder to make a bootable back-up copy)

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/141820-create-recovery-disc.html

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91467-startup-repair.html

ISO Recorder v3

Your XP disk won't be able to do this.


Hope that helps

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david manvell

#11

> The alternative is to download a free recovery disk image and burn it
> to cd . I believe it gives the same startup repair options as the MS
> dvd. (When you find your MS dvd , use isorecorder to make a bootable
> back-up copy)
>
> http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/141820-create-recovery-disc.html
>
> http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91467-startup-repair.html
>
> 'ISO Recorder v3' (http://alexfeinman.brinkster.net/Vista.htm)
>
> Your XP disk won't be able to do this.
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
> SIW2

Arrrgh! I just cant win. Downloaded the Bit Torrent file and no one else out
there currently has it for upload so there are no sources to get it from.
It's still searching...
 

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david manvell

#12
> Arrrgh! I just cant win. Downloaded the Bit Torrent file and no one else out

> there currently has it for upload so there are no sources to get it from.
> It's still searching...
>
Hah! it found 1 source. Downloading now.
 

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david manvell

#13
I'm running the Windows Repair utility and it wants to know what OS I have
nstalled that it shoudl fix and no Operating systems are listed in the
window. It says to insert a disk with the drivers for the hard drives so it
can load the hard drives to look for OSs. Any idea how I can get drivers for
the hard drives onto a disk? I have no idea where the drivers are located nor
how to get them onto a disk.

Odd that it would list the drives found as being the floppy, both CD/DVDs
and my external 1T USB drive but it does not see the scsi drive.

I tried just hitting next to bypass that requestor and have it fix it anyway
.. When I do it allows me to fix the problem but it says it needs to reboot
and when i do its just an endless loop. It never fixes it.
 

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david manvell

#14
"david manvell" wrote:

> I'm running the Windows Repair utility and it wants to know what OS I have
> nstalled that it shoudl fix and no Operating systems are listed in the
> window. It says to insert a disk with the drivers for the hard drives so it
> can load the hard drives to look for OSs. Any idea how I can get drivers for
> the hard drives onto a disk? I have no idea where the drivers are located nor
> how to get them onto a disk.
>
> Odd that it would list the drives found as being the floppy, both CD/DVDs
> and my external 1T USB drive but it does not see the scsi drive.
>
> I tried just hitting next to bypass that requestor and have it fix it anyway
> . When I do it allows me to fix the problem but it says it needs to reboot
> and when i do its just an endless loop. It never fixes it.

OK I found the driver on Dell's website and after several more reboots and
fixes it is working now. I can now boot up totally from the J: drive and
remove the old hard drive completely.

Thanks for everyone's help.
 

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SIW2

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#15
"david manvell" wrote:

> I'm running the Windows Repair utility and it wants to know what OS I have
> nstalled that it shoudl fix and no Operating systems are listed in the
> window. It says to insert a disk with the drivers for the hard drives so it
> can load the hard drives to look for OSs. Any idea how I can get drivers for
> the hard drives onto a disk? I have no idea where the drivers are located nor
> how to get them onto a disk.
>
> Odd that it would list the drives found as being the floppy, both CD/DVDs
> and my external 1T USB drive but it does not see the scsi drive.
>
> I tried just hitting next to bypass that requestor and have it fix it anyway
> . When I do it allows me to fix the problem but it says it needs to reboot
> and when i do its just an endless loop. It never fixes it.
OK I found the driver on Dell's website and after several more reboots and
fixes it is working now. I can now boot up totally from the J: drive and
remove the old hard drive completely.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Hi David,

Glad your persistence paid off and it worked out for you.:D

SIW2 :D :D :D
 

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#16
"david manvell" wrote:

> I'm running the Windows Repair utility and it wants to know what OS I have
> nstalled that it shoudl fix and no Operating systems are listed in the
> window. It says to insert a disk with the drivers for the hard drives so it
> can load the hard drives to look for OSs. Any idea how I can get drivers for
> the hard drives onto a disk? I have no idea where the drivers are located nor
> how to get them onto a disk.
>
> Odd that it would list the drives found as being the floppy, both CD/DVDs
> and my external 1T USB drive but it does not see the scsi drive.
>
> I tried just hitting next to bypass that requestor and have it fix it anyway
> . When I do it allows me to fix the problem but it says it needs to reboot
> and when i do its just an endless loop. It never fixes it.
OK I found the driver on Dell's website and after several more reboots and
fixes it is working now. I can now boot up totally from the J: drive and
remove the old hard drive completely.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Hi David,

Glad your persistence paid off and it worked out for you.:D

SIW2 :D :D :D
Hello David,

Might help others in the future if you could let me have a little info.

You say you got the hd drivers from DELL.

Did you have a Dell desktop that came with XP preinstalled and a product key stickered on the side ?

Then when you got the "upgrade" dvd, did you get it from Microsoft and did they give you a different product key ?

Thanks

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david manvell

#17
"SIW2" wrote:

>
> SIW2;860671 Wrote:

> > > david manvell;860385 Wrote:
> > > "david manvell" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > I'm running the Windows Repair utility and it wants to know what OS I
> > > > have
> > > > > nstalled that it shoudl fix and no Operating systems are listed in
> > > > the
> > > > > window. It says to insert a disk with the drivers for the hard drives
> > > > so it
> > > > > can load the hard drives to look for OSs. Any idea how I can get
> > > > drivers for
> > > > > the hard drives onto a disk? I have no idea where the drivers are
> > > > located nor
> > > > > how to get them onto a disk.
> > > > >
> > > > > Odd that it would list the drives found as being the floppy, both
> > > > CD/DVDs
> > > > > and my external 1T USB drive but it does not see the scsi drive.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried just hitting next to bypass that requestor and have it fix it
> > > > anyway
> > > > > . When I do it allows me to fix the problem but it says it needs to
> > > > reboot
> > > > > and when i do its just an endless loop. It never fixes it. > > > > OK I found the driver on Dell's website and after several more
> > > reboots and
> > > fixes it is working now. I can now boot up totally from the J:
> > > drive and
> > > remove the old hard drive completely.
> > >
> > > Thanks for everyone's help.> >
> >
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Glad your persistence paid off and it worked out for you.:D
> >
> > SIW2 :D :D :D
>
> Hello David,
>
> Might help others in the future if you could let me have a little info.
>
> You say you got the hd drivers from DELL.
>
> Did you have a Dell desktop that came with XP preinstalled and a
> product key stickered on the side ?
>
> Then when you got the "upgrade" dvd, did you get it from Microsoft and
> did they give you a different product key ?
>
> Thanks
>
> SIW2
>
>
> --
> SIW2
>
The Dell came with XP 64 preinstalled and I went to Dell's website and they
allow you to put in your service tage (From the machine) and it then lists
all the configuration of your machine and allows you to download all the
drivers and such that originally came with the system.

Unfortunately since this unit came out before vista they dont have vitsa
drivers listed but I used the xp64 drivers and it worked. I have not been
able to find vista 64 drivers for anything directly from their website.


As for the replacement upgrade dvd from microsfot. it arrive and it has a
differnet product key. :(
 

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