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My Desktop Icons keep rearranging every time I reboot

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Jim Hansen

#1
Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral of
the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)

This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
Explorer. Looks like they may be related.

I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely Vista
Certified Computer Equipment.


--
Jim Hansen
 

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Keith Miller MVP

#2
Usually a symptom of Explorer crashing & restarting...any clues in the Event
Log?


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

"Jim Hansen" <JimHansen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:793EDFE0-0A76-4F11-9CD5-89018AFB8E1B@microsoft.com...
> Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
> bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
> the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral
> of
> the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
> bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)
>
> This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
> Explorer. Looks like they may be related.
>
> I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely
> Vista
> Certified Computer Equipment.
>
>
> --
> Jim Hansen
>
 

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D

Daze N. Knights

#3
I don't have a solution to the problem itself, but "Icon Restore" is a
great, free app for periodically saving your desktop icon layout and
then restoring it again whenever it gets messed up. I've been using it
since Win98 and it works just as well in Vista. It sure saves a lot of
time otherwise spent rearranging icons. It can be found here:

http://users.rcn.com/taylotr/icon_restore.html

Daze

-------------------


Jim Hansen wrote:
> Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
> bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
> the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral of
> the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
> bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)
>
> This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
> Explorer. Looks like they may be related.
>
> I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely Vista
> Certified Computer Equipment.
>
>
 

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Jim Hansen

#4
Yes there are a some Explorer 1000 errrors in the Event log:

Faulting application explorer.exe, version 6.0.6000.16386, time stamp
0x4549b091, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 6.0.6000.16386, time stamp
0x4549bdc9, exception code 0xc0000374, fault offset 0x000af1c9, process id
0x15cc, application start time 0x01c76c34dcc925a5.
-----------------------------------------
The description for Event ID 1000 from source Application Error cannot be
found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your
local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair
the component on the local computer.

If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to
be saved with the event.

The following information was included with the event:

explorer.exe
6.0.6000.16386
4549b091
SHELL32.dll
6.0.6000.16386
4549bdb4
c0000005
0010346d

The substitution string for insert index (%1) could not be found

--
Jim Hansen



"Keith Miller MVP" wrote:

> Usually a symptom of Explorer crashing & restarting...any clues in the Event
> Log?
>
>
> --
> Good Luck,
>
> Keith
> Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
>
> "Jim Hansen" <JimHansen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:793EDFE0-0A76-4F11-9CD5-89018AFB8E1B@microsoft.com...
> > Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
> > bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
> > the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral
> > of
> > the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
> > bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)
> >
> > This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
> > Explorer. Looks like they may be related.
> >
> > I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely
> > Vista
> > Certified Computer Equipment.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Hansen
> >

>
>
 

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Jim Hansen

#5
I installed Icon Restor and get some interesting results. Restore Icons has
the same problem as reboot. But, that helps to identify the problem. It
appears the Inter Explorer Link wants to be on the left edge of the desktop.
If it is not there, it puts it self there when the desktop is restored
pushing down other links which in turn scrambles all links after that to make
room.

--
Jim Hansen



"Daze N. Knights" wrote:

> I don't have a solution to the problem itself, but "Icon Restore" is a
> great, free app for periodically saving your desktop icon layout and
> then restoring it again whenever it gets messed up. I've been using it
> since Win98 and it works just as well in Vista. It sure saves a lot of
> time otherwise spent rearranging icons. It can be found here:
>
> http://users.rcn.com/taylotr/icon_restore.html
>
> Daze
>
> -------------------
>
>
> Jim Hansen wrote:
> > Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
> > bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
> > the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral of
> > the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
> > bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)
> >
> > This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
> > Explorer. Looks like they may be related.
> >
> > I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely Vista
> > Certified Computer Equipment.
> >
> >

>
 

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Jim Hansen

#6
There have not been any crashes or errors between the last 10 reboots and
still everytime my icons get rearranged. Vista is too expensive and took too
many years in development for these types of issues to be occuring. These
are the BASICS. Come on!

Come on Microsoft I have been a fan and huge supporter of yours for decades.
This is just not acceptable. I am ready to dump Vista.

These is just not enough pluses for all the negatives. Vista is slower than
XP, it may be more stable, but that is only the OC. Programs crash much more
than with XP. I am just SOOOOO disappointed with vista right now.

--
Jim Hansen



"Jim Hansen" wrote:

> Yes there are a some Explorer 1000 errrors in the Event log:
>
> Faulting application explorer.exe, version 6.0.6000.16386, time stamp
> 0x4549b091, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 6.0.6000.16386, time stamp
> 0x4549bdc9, exception code 0xc0000374, fault offset 0x000af1c9, process id
> 0x15cc, application start time 0x01c76c34dcc925a5.
> -----------------------------------------
> The description for Event ID 1000 from source Application Error cannot be
> found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your
> local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair
> the component on the local computer.
>
> If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to
> be saved with the event.
>
> The following information was included with the event:
>
> explorer.exe
> 6.0.6000.16386
> 4549b091
> SHELL32.dll
> 6.0.6000.16386
> 4549bdb4
> c0000005
> 0010346d
>
> The substitution string for insert index (%1) could not be found
>
> --
> Jim Hansen
>
>
>
> "Keith Miller MVP" wrote:
>
> > Usually a symptom of Explorer crashing & restarting...any clues in the Event
> > Log?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Keith
> > Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
> >
> > "Jim Hansen" <JimHansen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:793EDFE0-0A76-4F11-9CD5-89018AFB8E1B@microsoft.com...
> > > Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
> > > bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
> > > the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral
> > > of
> > > the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
> > > bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)
> > >
> > > This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
> > > Explorer. Looks like they may be related.
> > >
> > > I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely
> > > Vista
> > > Certified Computer Equipment.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jim Hansen
> > >

> >
> >
 

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Jim Hansen

#7
Daze,

Even Icon Restore does not restore the Icons 100% after a reboot. Vista
really was not ready for release.

--
Jim Hansen



"Jim Hansen" wrote:

> I installed Icon Restor and get some interesting results. Restore Icons has
> the same problem as reboot. But, that helps to identify the problem. It
> appears the Inter Explorer Link wants to be on the left edge of the desktop.
> If it is not there, it puts it self there when the desktop is restored
> pushing down other links which in turn scrambles all links after that to make
> room.
>
> --
> Jim Hansen
>
>
>
> "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
>
> > I don't have a solution to the problem itself, but "Icon Restore" is a
> > great, free app for periodically saving your desktop icon layout and
> > then restoring it again whenever it gets messed up. I've been using it
> > since Win98 and it works just as well in Vista. It sure saves a lot of
> > time otherwise spent rearranging icons. It can be found here:
> >
> > http://users.rcn.com/taylotr/icon_restore.html
> >
> > Daze
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> >
> > Jim Hansen wrote:
> > > Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
> > > bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
> > > the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral of
> > > the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
> > > bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)
> > >
> > > This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
> > > Explorer. Looks like they may be related.
> > >
> > > I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely Vista
> > > Certified Computer Equipment.
> > >
> > >

> >
 

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A

Adam Albright

#8
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:33:03 -0700, Jim Hansen
<JimHansen@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>There have not been any crashes or errors between the last 10 reboots and
>still everytime my icons get rearranged. Vista is too expensive and took too
>many years in development for these types of issues to be occuring. These
>are the BASICS. Come on!
>
>Come on Microsoft I have been a fan and huge supporter of yours for decades.
> This is just not acceptable. I am ready to dump Vista.


Windows resorting the Desktop icons for no apparant rhyme or reason is
a long running issue that's been in XP and prior versions and is one
of the things I'm referring to when I say Microsoft never seems to get
around to fixing what's broke in older versions before releasing new
versions which only adds to the number of bugs.
 

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Daze N. Knights

#9
I'm sorry to hear that Icon Restore didn't help deal with the problem.
But as I said, I didn't expect it to solve the underlying problem
itself, whatever that may be. *My* Vista has none of the issues that you
say you are experiencing, so I know that your issues are not given
features of Vista, but something wrong with your particular
installation. So, if I were in *your* shoes, my choice would be to do a
complete reinstall of Vista, but then again, someone else more
Windows-savvy than myself may yet come by with a diagnosis offering a
simpler solution.


Jim Hansen wrote:
> Daze,
>
> Even Icon Restore does not restore the Icons 100% after a reboot. Vista
> really was not ready for release.
>
 

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J

Jim Hansen

#10
This was NEW CLEAN All new hardware install just three weeks ago. If I have
to do re-installs that often, I will start a class action lawsuit first.

Quite frankly, the reintall is a solution for ignoring what is causing the
problem to begin with. Microsoft needs to step up to the plate. They have
more than enough money and there is no excuse for all these problems.


--
Jim Hansen



"Daze N. Knights" wrote:

> I'm sorry to hear that Icon Restore didn't help deal with the problem.
> But as I said, I didn't expect it to solve the underlying problem
> itself, whatever that may be. *My* Vista has none of the issues that you
> say you are experiencing, so I know that your issues are not given
> features of Vista, but something wrong with your particular
> installation. So, if I were in *your* shoes, my choice would be to do a
> complete reinstall of Vista, but then again, someone else more
> Windows-savvy than myself may yet come by with a diagnosis offering a
> simpler solution.
>
>
> Jim Hansen wrote:
> > Daze,
> >
> > Even Icon Restore does not restore the Icons 100% after a reboot. Vista
> > really was not ready for release.
> >

>
 

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Daze N. Knights

#11
OK. Sorry for suggesting it. I can appreciate your frustrations. But all
I said was, "If I was in your shoes . . ." Yet, you're not me, and
maybe, for you, starting "a class action lawsuit" or waiting for
Microsoft to "step up to the plate" might, indeed, be preferable courses
of action for seeking a resolution to your Vista issues. Did you try
phoning Microsoft technical support to let them know about your problems
and give them a chance to offer a non-reinstall solution?

Daze
-------------

Jim Hansen wrote:
> This was NEW CLEAN All new hardware install just three weeks ago. If I have
> to do re-installs that often, I will start a class action lawsuit first.
>
> Quite frankly, the reintall is a solution for ignoring what is causing the
> problem to begin with. Microsoft needs to step up to the plate. They have
> more than enough money and there is no excuse for all these problems.
>
>
 

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J

Jim Hansen

#12
Daze,

I understand your suggestion and appreciate your help. If I had been
running Vista for several months I might consider it. It is just poor that
all too often that is the only solution to correct the OS issues. It should
NOT be that way.

This is MICROSOFT'S site. It was my understanding that they are
administering this site and are monitoring it. I get here from Vista help.
So, I hope Microsoft is paying attention to what is being said here and will
put effort into fixing the problems as quickly as possible.

My point about the Class Action Suite is maybe it is time for Microsoft's
users to speak up. Unlike other versions of Windows OS, the User was forced
not only spend much higher price for the new OS, but also considerable
dollars in new hardward. Upgrading to XP from Windows 2000 Pro was about
$150 and other than possibly adding more memory, that was it. Upgrading from
XP to Vista I spend over $1,400 by the time I upgraded all my hardware.
Going from 2000 to XP was a HUGE improvement in performance, stability,
features... So far, Vista is just a mountain of annoyances (to protect
Microsoft), incompatibilities like crazy, programs crashing all the time but
you get some cool graphics. And OS is SLOWER than XP in almost every way.
Unfortuneately the recent Apple commercial about the Vista upgrades are just
to true.

Step back and think about the differances in the upgrade between Vista and
other versions of windows and you will see why I even mention Class Action
Suit could be coming. This is NOT the same as previous upgrades. Microsoft
needs to step up to the plate.

THANK GOD I decided against installing the 64 bit version of Vista!

--
Jim Hansen



"Daze N. Knights" wrote:

> OK. Sorry for suggesting it. I can appreciate your frustrations. But all
> I said was, "If I was in your shoes . . ." Yet, you're not me, and
> maybe, for you, starting "a class action lawsuit" or waiting for
> Microsoft to "step up to the plate" might, indeed, be preferable courses
> of action for seeking a resolution to your Vista issues. Did you try
> phoning Microsoft technical support to let them know about your problems
> and give them a chance to offer a non-reinstall solution?
>
> Daze
> -------------
>
> Jim Hansen wrote:
> > This was NEW CLEAN All new hardware install just three weeks ago. If I have
> > to do re-installs that often, I will start a class action lawsuit first.
> >
> > Quite frankly, the reintall is a solution for ignoring what is causing the
> > problem to begin with. Microsoft needs to step up to the plate. They have
> > more than enough money and there is no excuse for all these problems.
> >
> >

>
 

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Daze N. Knights

#13
Have you looked into the possibility that your Vista troubles are
related to your video card? I imagine you already have installed the
latest drivers for it. Do you have another video card available that you
could swap with it to see if the problems persist or go away?

Daze

------------------

Jim Hansen wrote:
> Daze,
>
> I understand your suggestion and appreciate your help. If I had been
> running Vista for several months I might consider it. It is just poor that
> all too often that is the only solution to correct the OS issues. It should
> NOT be that way.
>
> This is MICROSOFT'S site. It was my understanding that they are
> administering this site and are monitoring it. I get here from Vista help.
> So, I hope Microsoft is paying attention to what is being said here and will
> put effort into fixing the problems as quickly as possible.
>
> My point about the Class Action Suite is maybe it is time for Microsoft's
> users to speak up. Unlike other versions of Windows OS, the User was forced
> not only spend much higher price for the new OS, but also considerable
> dollars in new hardward. Upgrading to XP from Windows 2000 Pro was about
> $150 and other than possibly adding more memory, that was it. Upgrading from
> XP to Vista I spend over $1,400 by the time I upgraded all my hardware.
> Going from 2000 to XP was a HUGE improvement in performance, stability,
> features... So far, Vista is just a mountain of annoyances (to protect
> Microsoft), incompatibilities like crazy, programs crashing all the time but
> you get some cool graphics. And OS is SLOWER than XP in almost every way.
> Unfortuneately the recent Apple commercial about the Vista upgrades are just
> to true.
>
> Step back and think about the differances in the upgrade between Vista and
> other versions of windows and you will see why I even mention Class Action
> Suit could be coming. This is NOT the same as previous upgrades. Microsoft
> needs to step up to the plate.
>
> THANK GOD I decided against installing the 64 bit version of Vista!
>
 

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Jim Hansen

#14
Daze,

One of the things I did is make sure all my components were Vista Certified.
My video card is an ATI X1950 Pro with the latest Vista Drivers. I was very
anal about everyting being totally Vista compliant. This is another reason I
am less than please with my results so far. I spent the money to based on
what Microsoft said wast best. My Windows Experiance Index is 5.8 with the
only item pulling it down is my Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 getting a 5.8. My
video card got a 5.9.

So if it is my video card then Microsoft should not have certified it.


--
Jim Hansen



"Daze N. Knights" wrote:

> Have you looked into the possibility that your Vista troubles are
> related to your video card? I imagine you already have installed the
> latest drivers for it. Do you have another video card available that you
> could swap with it to see if the problems persist or go away?
>
> Daze
>
> ------------------
>
> Jim Hansen wrote:
> > Daze,
> >
> > I understand your suggestion and appreciate your help. If I had been
> > running Vista for several months I might consider it. It is just poor that
> > all too often that is the only solution to correct the OS issues. It should
> > NOT be that way.
> >
> > This is MICROSOFT'S site. It was my understanding that they are
> > administering this site and are monitoring it. I get here from Vista help.
> > So, I hope Microsoft is paying attention to what is being said here and will
> > put effort into fixing the problems as quickly as possible.
> >
> > My point about the Class Action Suite is maybe it is time for Microsoft's
> > users to speak up. Unlike other versions of Windows OS, the User was forced
> > not only spend much higher price for the new OS, but also considerable
> > dollars in new hardward. Upgrading to XP from Windows 2000 Pro was about
> > $150 and other than possibly adding more memory, that was it. Upgrading from
> > XP to Vista I spend over $1,400 by the time I upgraded all my hardware.
> > Going from 2000 to XP was a HUGE improvement in performance, stability,
> > features... So far, Vista is just a mountain of annoyances (to protect
> > Microsoft), incompatibilities like crazy, programs crashing all the time but
> > you get some cool graphics. And OS is SLOWER than XP in almost every way.
> > Unfortuneately the recent Apple commercial about the Vista upgrades are just
> > to true.
> >
> > Step back and think about the differances in the upgrade between Vista and
> > other versions of windows and you will see why I even mention Class Action
> > Suit could be coming. This is NOT the same as previous upgrades. Microsoft
> > needs to step up to the plate.
> >
> > THANK GOD I decided against installing the 64 bit version of Vista!
> >

>
 

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Daze N. Knights

#15
OK. Just a possibility to check out if you're into troubleshooting
potential hardware problems. If you're not, you're not. Did your issues
arise immediately after installing Vista, or only after installing other
software?

Daze

---------------

Jim Hansen wrote:
> Daze,
>
> One of the things I did is make sure all my components were Vista Certified.
> My video card is an ATI X1950 Pro with the latest Vista Drivers. I was very
> anal about everyting being totally Vista compliant. This is another reason I
> am less than please with my results so far. I spent the money to based on
> what Microsoft said wast best. My Windows Experiance Index is 5.8 with the
> only item pulling it down is my Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 getting a 5.8. My
> video card got a 5.9.
>
> So if it is my video card then Microsoft should not have certified it.
>
>
 

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Jim Hansen

#16
No my problem came out of no where like others. If it were any of my
hardware I would have seen the symptons right away. Vista is the problem.
--
Jim Hansen



"Daze N. Knights" wrote:

> OK. Just a possibility to check out if you're into troubleshooting
> potential hardware problems. If you're not, you're not. Did your issues
> arise immediately after installing Vista, or only after installing other
> software?
>
> Daze
>
> ---------------
>
> Jim Hansen wrote:
> > Daze,
> >
> > One of the things I did is make sure all my components were Vista Certified.
> > My video card is an ATI X1950 Pro with the latest Vista Drivers. I was very
> > anal about everyting being totally Vista compliant. This is another reason I
> > am less than please with my results so far. I spent the money to based on
> > what Microsoft said wast best. My Windows Experiance Index is 5.8 with the
> > only item pulling it down is my Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 getting a 5.8. My
> > video card got a 5.9.
> >
> > So if it is my video card then Microsoft should not have certified it.
> >
> >

>
 

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Daze N. Knights

#17
So the problems were there in your clean install of Vista before you
installed any other software at all?

Daze

-------------------------

Jim Hansen wrote:
> No my problem came out of no where like others. If it were any of my
> hardware I would have seen the symptons right away. Vista is the problem.
 

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Laveman56

#18
In addition to Windows "rearranging" my desktop icons, it appears that it
also forgets the pixellation of the desktop, and reverts back to the default
setting of 1028 x 720. I am trying Icon Restore, and will let you know what
the outcome is.

Larry

"Jim Hansen" wrote:

> Daze,
>
> Even Icon Restore does not restore the Icons 100% after a reboot. Vista
> really was not ready for release.
>
> --
> Jim Hansen
>
>
>
> "Jim Hansen" wrote:
>
> > I installed Icon Restor and get some interesting results. Restore Icons has
> > the same problem as reboot. But, that helps to identify the problem. It
> > appears the Inter Explorer Link wants to be on the left edge of the desktop.
> > If it is not there, it puts it self there when the desktop is restored
> > pushing down other links which in turn scrambles all links after that to make
> > room.
> >
> > --
> > Jim Hansen
> >
> >
> >
> > "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
> >
> > > I don't have a solution to the problem itself, but "Icon Restore" is a
> > > great, free app for periodically saving your desktop icon layout and
> > > then restoring it again whenever it gets messed up. I've been using it
> > > since Win98 and it works just as well in Vista. It sure saves a lot of
> > > time otherwise spent rearranging icons. It can be found here:
> > >
> > > http://users.rcn.com/taylotr/icon_restore.html
> > >
> > > Daze
> > >
> > > -------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Hansen wrote:
> > > > Everytime I re-boot my computer, several of my icon rearrange. Mainly the
> > > > bottom two icons I have at the bottom left of my desktop, to to the top of
> > > > the screen, and the three rows above them are shifted down. Then serveral of
> > > > the icons at the top left of the desktop are moved and the icons from the
> > > > bottom replace them. Guess this is a new Vista feature. :)
> > > >
> > > > This started at the same time Multi-Files select was disabled in Windows
> > > > Explorer. Looks like they may be related.
> > > >
> > > > I have a RETAIL version of Windows Vista Premium on all new completely Vista
> > > > Certified Computer Equipment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
 

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