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Daniel A. Kornev [MSFT]

Sorry guys,

But this newsgroup is intended for discussions of anything related to WinFS
and not more. Anything related to file systems as NTFS must be placed under
other newsgroups.
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Günter Prossliner

> But this newsgroup is intended for discussions of anything related to
> WinFS and not more. Anything related to file systems as NTFS must be
> placed under other newsgroups.


This newsgroup is as dead as WinFS.



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Daniel A. Kornev [MSFT]

Also I can't say anymore about WinFS at this point Microsoft Chairman Bill
Gates already told to the general public in Moscow that WinFS project is back
on track and it would be used in the whole number of Microsoft products.
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Danila A. Kornev
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"Günter Prossliner" wrote:

> > But this newsgroup is intended for discussions of anything related to
> > WinFS and not more. Anything related to file systems as NTFS must be
> > placed under other newsgroups.

>
> This newsgroup is as dead as WinFS.
>
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> GP
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roman modic

Hello!

"Gnter Prossliner" <g.prossliner/gmx/at> wrote in message news:[email protected]
>> But this newsgroup is intended for discussions of anything related to
>> WinFS and not more. Anything related to file systems as NTFS must be
>> placed under other newsgroups.

>
> This newsgroup is as dead as WinFS.


http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.php?showtopic=7101
Awesome, I was really hoping that WinFS wasn't gone forever! To tell you
the truth, deep down I didn't expect it to be gone forever. It is far too powerful
and helpful for every aspect of IT for Microsoft to just ditch it. I am going to
make a prediction about the release of WinFS. I suspect that it will be
converted into a full file system of its own and added to Windows Vienna.
What do all of you think?

http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/dailyarchives.jhtml?articleId=196600671
At the Windows Vista business launch Thursday in New York, Microsoft CEO
Steve Ballmer acknowledged that the Redmond, Wash., company bit off more
than it could chew when it promised WinFS for Vista. And even though that was
cut from Vista, Microsoft continues to work on the system for a future version
of Windows, he said.

Regards, Roman
 

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Daniel A. Kornev [MSFT]

Hello Roman,

As far as I can say you WinFS is not a whole file system as far as we all
determine the file system term. WinFS is a relational file system (as it is
positioned) but it doesn't mean that you can get the hard disk drive and
format it in WinFS. No. Instead WinFS uses NTFS as underlying platform and
reuses SQL Server 2005 functionality with CLR integrated into it that
provides us UDTs as .NET classes. All the data stored in WinFS must be one of
the types either described in the assemblies installed with WinFS (.NET
classes as UDTs are described as XML schemas and stored in assemblies) or in
3rd party assemblies provided by other companies as well. That means that
anything stored in WinFS is a special class and so all the data is structured
one. All data is stored in SQL Server and NTFS. Why so? The problem is that
SQL Server provides an opportunity to save data that is simple to search for
and retrieve from server. But there are some kinds of data that can't be
recognized and stored in SQL Server like media files. Say you can store some
data about media file and then perform a search against it but it is not
possible to search for the media part (sound or sound composition) using text
search - there is no such mechanism to describe sound in text. Instead you
can store some data about this sound (or any other type of media file) and
this "data about data" is called metadata. Metadata already exists that mean
that you can store some information about tracks (MP3 tags) or documents
(Word Documents Properties like Author, Comments, and Revision etc.). The
second problem is that not any file has metadata in its format. Say you can
add metadata to Photoshop media file but there is no way to add some data for
text documents in txt format. WinFS brings a standard way to describe data
items of different types (Contacts, Documents and so on) and a standard way
for storing and adding metadata for them. In fact WinFS stores anything that
can be used in search in it while the data that can't be retrieved by
particular search (say you can't query for the sound track itself, instead
you can query for its name etc.) is stored in NTFS. WinFS brings the
opportunity to work with data as with OOP objects (.NET classes) that makes
data management even more powerful than it is available as of now. After
WinFS installation you'll notice some changes - you'll find some new shell
namespace extensions that would be stored in My Computer folder. They will
provide you an access to data stored in WinFS in a simple way. Say extension
for Contacts would be "Personal Contacts" extension in My Computer, for
Documents - "Documents", for videos and pictures - "Pictures & Videos" you've
got the idea. There are some ways to retrieve similar types of data from the
file system itself by using such mechanisms as Windows Desktop Search but
they are not such powerful as WinFS. The difference is that while WinFS
stores data (say files) in it itself tools like Windows Desktop Search (and
Windows Search in Windows Vista) index existing files stored in the
particular file system (NTFS) and the actuality of the search very hard
depends on the period of re-indexing time. WinFS performs the search across
the data itself against those tools that search against the indexed image of
actual data. This is the very big difference between traditional file search
utilities and WinFS.
Also WinFS provides a powerful mechanism of relationships between different
data stored in it. First of all it is very important to understand that WinFS
presents the new abstraction for data management named Item. Anything in the
world that can be described in text terms derives from Item. Say apple is
type of fruit and fruit is type of Item etc. So WinFS makes it easy to relate
different types of data like Documents and Contacts. You can relate them by
themselves (say Document.RelatedContacts retrieves you the collection of
related contacts) or relate by their properties (say Document.RelatedContacts
retrieves you the collection of the contacts if the Document property Author
contains the names of those contacts). This features a new way of interacting
with data. Say you are going to find someone in your Personal Contacts
folder. You’ve found it (simply by listing the whole collection of contacts
stored in your machine, or by input of a number of filters) and now you will
be able to query for related items like Documents (this contact sent you),
Media items (this contact listen to), Emails (this contact sent you) and so
on. You will click on of the Documents related to this contact and the
appreciate application starts and opens this document. WinFS doesn’t know
what that application is instead the WinFS storage watcher does all that work
and runs the related application.
Also WinFS provides such great features like synchronization between
different data silos to it. All these features makes WinFS the best way to
store and manage data in your computer.

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Danila A. Kornev [MSFT]
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"roman modic" wrote:

> Hello!
>
> "Gnter Prossliner" <g.prossliner/gmx/at> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> >> But this newsgroup is intended for discussions of anything related to
> >> WinFS and not more. Anything related to file systems as NTFS must be
> >> placed under other newsgroups.

> >
> > This newsgroup is as dead as WinFS.

>
> http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.php?showtopic=7101
>
> Awesome, I was really hoping that WinFS wasn't gone forever! To tell you
> the truth, deep down I didn't expect it to be gone forever. It is far too powerful
> and helpful for every aspect of IT for Microsoft to just ditch it. I am going to
> make a prediction about the release of WinFS. I suspect that it will be
> converted into a full file system of its own and added to Windows Vienna.
> What do all of you think?
>
>
> http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/dailyarchives.jhtml?articleId=196600671
>
> At the Windows Vista business launch Thursday in New York, Microsoft CEO
> Steve Ballmer acknowledged that the Redmond, Wash., company bit off more
> than it could chew when it promised WinFS for Vista. And even though that was
> cut from Vista, Microsoft continues to work on the system for a future version
> of Windows, he said.
>
>
> Regards, Roman
>
>
>
 

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Jason Gurtz

Daniel A. Kornev [MSFT] wrote:
> Also I can't say anymore about WinFS at this point Microsoft Chairman Bill
> Gates already told to the general public in Moscow that WinFS project is back
> on track and it would be used in the whole number of Microsoft products.


Some rather famous blog claimed it would indeed be part of NT 7.0

~Jason

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