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PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) andVista

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#1
First of all I'm wondering how many readers here have even heard of PFS
First Choice. For you kids who haven't, it's an ancient office suite
(word processor, spreadsheet, database, presentation and
communications-as in computer-to-computer dialup!) that ran on MS-DOS
and the early versions of Windows. My first computer (8088 processor,
MS-DOS 3.3, two 5 1/4" floppy drives, no hard disk) came with it, and
I've been using it ever since. Don't ask why.

Anyway, I've moved up over the years to a MacBook Pro on which I'm
running Vista Business virtually via VMWare Fusion. When one of those
rare occasions when I need to fire up First Choice again comes along,
Vista has taken to giving me the dreaded "run-time error R6009-not
enough space for environment" message. I had this same issue in XP and
the standard Google-derived remedies (tweak the memory settings on the
MS-DOS executables) sufficed. The funny thing is that they also had in
Vista up until just now. No matter how I set the environment, XMS and
EMS memory values or the compatiblity mode, I still can't get First
Choice to run. I saw some suggestions for how to edit the config.nt
file in XP to deal with this (specifically to add a line specifying
command.com as the shell and allocating environment space to it), but
they don't help in Vista.

So, I'm stumped. I know Vista CAN run this program because it did for
about four months. I can't think of anything I've installed that could
have changed things to where I can't change them back. Anyone with any
suggestions? If anyone has run into this with ANY old DOS program, I
think hearing what you changed and how might help.

And I don't mean to add insult to injury to anyone, but I downloaded
DOSBox for Mac OS X this morning, and guess what? I can now use First
Choice without starting up the Vista VM if I absolutely have to. I hope
I don't, though. It worked better in Windows-when it DID work.
 

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glsj.dw

#2
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

Your questions are not clear...

I sugest you use DOSBOX,
there is dosbox for windows too...



"None" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> First of all I'm wondering how many readers here have even heard of PFS
> First Choice. For you kids who haven't, it's an ancient office suite
> (word processor, spreadsheet, database, presentation and communications-as
> in computer-to-computer dialup!) that ran on MS-DOS and the early versions
> of Windows. My first computer (8088 processor, MS-DOS 3.3, two 5 1/4"
> floppy drives, no hard disk) came with it, and I've been using it ever
> since. Don't ask why.
>
> Anyway, I've moved up over the years to a MacBook Pro on which I'm running
> Vista Business virtually via VMWare Fusion. When one of those rare
> occasions when I need to fire up First Choice again comes along, Vista has
> taken to giving me the dreaded "run-time error R6009-not enough space for
> environment" message. I had this same issue in XP and the standard
> Google-derived remedies (tweak the memory settings on the MS-DOS
> executables) sufficed. The funny thing is that they also had in Vista up
> until just now. No matter how I set the environment, XMS and EMS memory
> values or the compatiblity mode, I still can't get First Choice to run. I
> saw some suggestions for how to edit the config.nt file in XP to deal with
> this (specifically to add a line specifying command.com as the shell and
> allocating environment space to it), but they don't help in Vista.
>
> So, I'm stumped. I know Vista CAN run this program because it did for
> about four months. I can't think of anything I've installed that could
> have changed things to where I can't change them back. Anyone with any
> suggestions? If anyone has run into this with ANY old DOS program, I
> think hearing what you changed and how might help.
>
> And I don't mean to add insult to injury to anyone, but I downloaded
> DOSBox for Mac OS X this morning, and guess what? I can now use First
> Choice without starting up the Vista VM if I absolutely have to. I hope I
> don't, though. It worked better in Windows-when it DID work.
 

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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]

#3
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

Thats what None is using now.
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My Vista Quickstart Guide:
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"glsj.dw" <111@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:47323684$1@xxxxxx-privat.org...

> Your questions are not clear...
>
> I sugest you use DOSBOX,
> there is dosbox for windows too...
>
>
>
> "None" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23qYiySYIIHA.4684@xxxxxx

>> First of all I'm wondering how many readers here have even heard of PFS
>> First Choice. For you kids who haven't, it's an ancient office suite
>> (word processor, spreadsheet, database, presentation and
>> communications-as in computer-to-computer dialup!) that ran on MS-DOS and
>> the early versions of Windows. My first computer (8088 processor, MS-DOS
>> 3.3, two 5 1/4" floppy drives, no hard disk) came with it, and I've been
>> using it ever since. Don't ask why.
>>
>> Anyway, I've moved up over the years to a MacBook Pro on which I'm
>> running Vista Business virtually via VMWare Fusion. When one of those
>> rare occasions when I need to fire up First Choice again comes along,
>> Vista has taken to giving me the dreaded "run-time error R6009-not enough
>> space for environment" message. I had this same issue in XP and the
>> standard Google-derived remedies (tweak the memory settings on the MS-DOS
>> executables) sufficed. The funny thing is that they also had in Vista up
>> until just now. No matter how I set the environment, XMS and EMS memory
>> values or the compatiblity mode, I still can't get First Choice to run.
>> I saw some suggestions for how to edit the config.nt file in XP to deal
>> with this (specifically to add a line specifying command.com as the shell
>> and allocating environment space to it), but they don't help in Vista.
>>
>> So, I'm stumped. I know Vista CAN run this program because it did for
>> about four months. I can't think of anything I've installed that could
>> have changed things to where I can't change them back. Anyone with any
>> suggestions? If anyone has run into this with ANY old DOS program, I
>> think hearing what you changed and how might help.
>>
>> And I don't mean to add insult to injury to anyone, but I downloaded
>> DOSBox for Mac OS X this morning, and guess what? I can now use First
>> Choice without starting up the Vista VM if I absolutely have to. I hope
>> I don't, though. It worked better in Windows-when it DID work.
>
>
 

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N
#4
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it)and Vista

glsj.dw wrote:

> Your questions are not clear.
Oh, sorry. I'll speak a bit more slowly. Is there anyone out there
who's had the runtime error R6009 problem with PFS FIrst Choice or
another DOS program in Vista and been able to fix it who can give me an
idea of how to?

There. Clear enough?

> I sugest (sic) you use DOSBox.
> (T)here is DOSBox for (W)indows too.
So I've heard. But before I throw in the towel on the operating system
software I paid for because it was supposed to be better, I'll wait a
bit to see if someone here has a solution first. Besides, DOSBox isn't
exactly a finished product. For instance, it doesn't support printing
as of yet.

Anyway, thanks for responding.
 

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MacArthur

#5
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

Control Panel > System > Advanced System Settings > Environment Variables >

Select the string: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe

Edit it to include: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe /e:2048

OK yourself back to main screen and close Control Panel.

Reboot and First Choice should work.

--
Live strong and have a nice day, - "Nil carborundum illegitimi"!
Mac H E L P the planet - Don't I D L E ! ! !
Over 1600 Links at Http://MacArthur.Funknstyle.Com
Pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/macarthur
and http://www.flickr.com/photos/macarthur-ii/


"None" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> glsj.dw wrote:

>> Your questions are not clear.
>
> Oh, sorry. I'll speak a bit more slowly. Is there anyone out there who's
> had the runtime error R6009 problem with PFS FIrst Choice or another DOS
> program in Vista and been able to fix it who can give me an idea of how
> to?
>
> There. Clear enough?
>

>> I sugest (sic) you use DOSBox.
>> (T)here is DOSBox for (W)indows too.
>
> So I've heard. But before I throw in the towel on the operating system
> software I paid for because it was supposed to be better, I'll wait a bit
> to see if someone here has a solution first. Besides, DOSBox isn't
> exactly a finished product. For instance, it doesn't support printing as
> of yet.
>
> Anyway, thanks for responding.
>
 

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D
#6
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

Sorry, None, I don't have PFS Choice, but I did dig up my 1990 version of
Professional Write.
I copied the contents of both floppy disks over, and it runs fine. Except
for printing to my USB printer...

And a 1991 version of Quattro Pro runs ok, at least for what little I tried.



"None" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OWKkZ7YIIHA.4584@xxxxxx

> glsj.dw wrote:

>> Your questions are not clear.
>
> Oh, sorry. I'll speak a bit more slowly. Is there anyone out there who's
> had the runtime error R6009 problem with PFS FIrst Choice or another DOS
> program in Vista and been able to fix it who can give me an idea of how
> to?
>
> There. Clear enough?
>

>> I sugest (sic) you use DOSBox.
>> (T)here is DOSBox for (W)indows too.
>
> So I've heard. But before I throw in the towel on the operating system
> software I paid for because it was supposed to be better, I'll wait a bit
> to see if someone here has a solution first. Besides, DOSBox isn't
> exactly a finished product. For instance, it doesn't support printing as
> of yet.
>
> Anyway, thanks for responding.
>
 

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N
#7
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it)and Vista

MacArthur wrote:

> Control Panel > System > Advanced System Settings > Environment Variables >
>
> Select the string: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe
>
> Edit it to include: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe /e:2048
>
> OK yourself back to main screen and close Control Panel.
>
> Reboot and First Choice should work.
>
Sorry, it didn't. I tried bumping it up all the way to 32768 (correct
me if I'm wrong, but I think that's still the maximum for the
environment size) and it didn't help. And yes, I DID reboot after each
change.

Bummer; your suggestion was Vista-specific and really looked promising.

Thanks anyway for taking a swing at it. Anyone else with an idea?
 

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U
#8
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

None,

Found this searching Google. May or may not help you but worth a try...

[[[[[ I had the same problem. I have PFS:First Choice version 3.0 and am
trying to run it on an XP system.
I kept getting the infamous R6009 run-time error.
I tweaked first1.exe memory settings and compatibility mode.
Memory
Conventional:
Total: Auto
Initial Env: 4096
EMS: 16384
EMS: 16384
DPMI: Auto

Compatibility Mode:
Windows 98
(all other boxes unchecked.
BUT I found that I also HAD to do the following:
cd c:\choice
set HOMEPATH=c:\
set PATH=
Then I was able to run first1.exe from the command line c: first1.exe]]]]


"None" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> MacArthur wrote:

>> Control Panel > System > Advanced System Settings > Environment Variables >>
>> Select the string: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe
>>
>> Edit it to include: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe /e:2048
>>
>> OK yourself back to main screen and close Control Panel.
>>
>> Reboot and First Choice should work.
>>
>
> Sorry, it didn't. I tried bumping it up all the way to 32768 (correct me
> if I'm wrong, but I think that's still the maximum for the environment
> size) and it didn't help. And yes, I DID reboot after each change.
>
> Bummer; your suggestion was Vista-specific and really looked promising.
>
> Thanks anyway for taking a swing at it. Anyone else with an idea?
 

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N
#9
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it)and Vista

User wrote:

> None,
>
> Found this searching Google. May or may not help you but worth a try...
>
Yeah, this is what you've got to do to get it running in XP. As I said
initially, I've already tried this in Vista with no luck. Thanks anyway.
 

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MacArthur

#10
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

Sorry it didn't work:o(

I was also a long time user of PFS FC.

Marvelous little package that was way ahead of its time with regard to
content, usability, and price.

I finally gave it up when I bought Office 2000, or maybe 97.

--
Live strong and have a nice day, - "Nil carborundum illegitimi"!
Mac H E L P the planet - Don't I D L E ! ! !
Over 1600 Links at Http://MacArthur.Funknstyle.Com
Pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/macarthur
and http://www.flickr.com/photos/macarthur-ii/


"None" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> MacArthur wrote:

>> Control Panel > System > Advanced System Settings > Environment Variables >>
>> Select the string: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe
>>
>> Edit it to include: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe /e:2048
>>
>> OK yourself back to main screen and close Control Panel.
>>
>> Reboot and First Choice should work.
>>
>
> Sorry, it didn't. I tried bumping it up all the way to 32768 (correct me
> if I'm wrong, but I think that's still the maximum for the environment
> size) and it didn't help. And yes, I DID reboot after each change.
>
> Bummer; your suggestion was Vista-specific and really looked promising.
>
> Thanks anyway for taking a swing at it. Anyone else with an idea?
 

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glsj.dw

#11
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

I loved professional write...

PW


"Dave" <dave@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Sorry, None, I don't have PFS Choice, but I did dig up my 1990 version of
> Professional Write.
> I copied the contents of both floppy disks over, and it runs fine. Except
> for printing to my USB printer...
>
> And a 1991 version of Quattro Pro runs ok, at least for what little I
> tried.
>
>
>
> "None" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OWKkZ7YIIHA.4584@xxxxxx

>> glsj.dw wrote:

>>> Your questions are not clear.
>>
>> Oh, sorry. I'll speak a bit more slowly. Is there anyone out there
>> who's had the runtime error R6009 problem with PFS FIrst Choice or
>> another DOS program in Vista and been able to fix it who can give me an
>> idea of how to?
>>
>> There. Clear enough?
>>

>>> I sugest (sic) you use DOSBox.
>>> (T)here is DOSBox for (W)indows too.
>>
>> So I've heard. But before I throw in the towel on the operating system
>> software I paid for because it was supposed to be better, I'll wait a bit
>> to see if someone here has a solution first. Besides, DOSBox isn't
>> exactly a finished product. For instance, it doesn't support printing as
>> of yet.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for responding.
>>
 

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ronald.phillips

#12
Re: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) and Vista

On Nov 7, 5:37 pm, None <n...@xxxxxx> wrote:

> glsj.dw wrote:

> > Your questions are not clear.
>
> Oh, sorry. I'll speak a bit more slowly. Is there anyone out there
> who's had the runtime error R6009 problem with PFS FIrst Choice or
> another DOS program in Vista and been able to fix it who can give me an
> idea of how to?
>
> There. Clear enough?
>

> > I sugest (sic) you use DOSBox.
> > (T)here isDOSBoxfor (W)indows too.
>
> So I've heard. But before I throw in the towel on the operating system
> software I paid for because it was supposed to be better, I'll wait a
> bit to see if someone here has a solution first. Besides,DOSBoxisn't
> exactly a finished product. For instance, it doesn't support printing
> as of yet.
>
> Anyway, thanks for responding.
The official builds of DosBox do not support printing but there are
unofficial patches. You should ask over at the Official DOSBox forums
and we may be able to point you to a build that has printer support.

http://vogons.zetafleet.com

Official DOSBox doesn't support printing because it's not really a
game feature. If it is included in the official build in the future
then most likely it will only print to images and not the host print.
(There are unoffical patches for both printing to images and host
printers).
 

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N
#13
IT'S WORKING!!!-BUT...(Was: PFS First Choice (yes there are STILLsome people who use it) and Vista)

Okay, I've got it working, and kudos to MacArthur who, true to the
legacy of his (or her?) famous namesake, had us at least pointed in the
right direction with the proper strategy.

However, I've got to tell you that this process is not for the faint of
heart. If you're running Vista natively, have a good backup and you
probably need System Restore operating in case you hose things up like I
did. (Since I'm running virtually via VMWare Fusion, I saved my bacon
by simply reverting to the last snapshot I'd taken-which I'm thankful
was recent.)

What you do is go into Control Panel>System>Advanced System
Settings>Environment Variables like MacArthur described, but instead of
editing any of the lines under System Variables, you're going to DELETE
some of them. The dangerous part is that deleting the wrong ones could
leave you with a system you can't reconfigure, because every time you
try to make a change you'll get a message that such-and-such executable
or variable can't be found. I'd found this procedure mentioned in a
Google search (the link to which I regrettably didn't keep) that brought
up a discussion of a similar problem with a DOS program, but with XP
instead of Vista. I remember that it said definitely NOT to remove any
variables labled COMSPEC, PATH, CLASSPATH, PATHEXT, TEMP, or TMP, but
all the rest were fair game. Well, at least in Vista, all of them aren't.

After getting my VM usable and back up to date again, I went in and
gamely deleted the variables that looked nonessential one by one (mostly
dealing with the processor and a few rarely-used programs; I wish I'd
kept more detailed notes, but...), clicking "OK" on the box and trying
to fire up PFS FC after each one. I hit paydirt after the third
deletion, as I recall, and it's worked since. If I don't see any ill
effects on Vista itself by this evening, I'll pull another snapshot and
get on with my life.

Anyway, thanks to all of you who tried to help. With the rather low
signal-to-noise ratio this group seems to be afflicted with, your
standout efforts are all the more valuable and appreciated.
 

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#14
What I suggest is to get an old computer such as an 8088 and install DOS as the Operating System, then install first choice in it, you may also need an old printer, one that has the old printer cable to the PC, not a USB. Then you'll have no problems. If you need a PC to do this, contact me at pastorwilliambarhorst@yahoo.com. I would love to have a copy of PSF First Choice actually several versions of it as I have old files on disk I need for my church mission, and my pc was stolen that had First Choice on it. I had versions 1.0 and 3.0 and need them. Call me (610) 800-3923 or email me if you can get me a copy. I tried to download PFS First Choice from a website: vetusware.com but there is a problem with the site, the webmaster put a captcha installed on the site, but the site will not show the captcha when I try to register. I have been looking to purchase PFS First Choice but the company was sold several times and I called the last known company, and they no longer make it to be sold and do not have a copy in archives. I really need copies of it badly because of the data bases I created with it. Thanx and God Bless!
Pastor William Barhorst
Baskets Of Faith Church & Missions
 

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#15
cd c:\choice
c:

command c:\ /e:1024


rem this is meant for starting First Choice after a fashion on an XP system
rem Run this batch file from prompt and it will change the Dos CLI to a pathless thing, C>
rem Type first (for first.com) and you'll have your First Choice under XP (check path to program).
rem The CLI won't be good for anything else. Type the full "exit" to close.

> comment: I guess this would work for 7 under the compatabily mode for XP and maybe for a Vista DOS CLI. All guesses and reports are about 32 bit OS's.
 
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