Photo Gallery and the indexing of tags

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Sean McLeod

Hi

I created a new tag in Photo Gallery and assigned it to a couple of images.
I could immediately then query, sort and group images based on this tag
inside the Photo Gallery application.

However it took quite a few hours, probably 5-6 hours before I could query
based on this new tag using the generic search interface launched via the
'Start->Search the Index' UI.

I've posted a separate question about how to make the Windows Search indexer
more aggressive in terms of picking up file changes and indexing them in the
'file_management' newsgroup.

However I was assuming that Photo Gallery was itself querying the same index
as the generic seach UI launched from the Start menu was. Is this not the
case? Does Photo Gallery maintain it's own index over and above the Windows
Search index? Or does it supplement it's searches with manual scans through
the images in addition to using the Windows Search index?

Cheers
 

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John Thornton [MSFT]

Indeed, the Photo Gallery does maintain its own index. We did this for
scenarios exactly like this. Anything you tag should be searchable
immediately in the gallery.

5-6 hours for the shell seems rather lengthy for the Windows Search indexer
to catch-up. Did you just add a bunch of files to the system? If the
indexer is backed-up it could take a while to get through everything but
typically a metadata change on 1 file should be caught rather instantly.

I'll play with this a bit and see what type of numbers I get on recent
builds. If you have any more details about what they system was doing it
may be helpful in reproducing the issue.

Thanks!
John Thornton
Program Manager - Vista Photos Imaging and eXperience

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"Sean McLeod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi
>
> I created a new tag in Photo Gallery and assigned it to a couple of
> images. I could immediately then query, sort and group images based on
> this tag inside the Photo Gallery application.
>
> However it took quite a few hours, probably 5-6 hours before I could query
> based on this new tag using the generic search interface launched via the
> 'Start->Search the Index' UI.
>
> I've posted a separate question about how to make the Windows Search
> indexer more aggressive in terms of picking up file changes and indexing
> them in the 'file_management' newsgroup.
>
> However I was assuming that Photo Gallery was itself querying the same
> index as the generic seach UI launched from the Start menu was. Is this
> not the case? Does Photo Gallery maintain it's own index over and above
> the Windows Search index? Or does it supplement it's searches with manual
> scans through the images in addition to using the Windows Search index?
>
> Cheers
 

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Sean McLeod

Thanks for the response.

I think the indexer on my system is on a go slow strike. The last time I
added a bunch of files was a couple of days before. I posted a query about
this in the vista.file_management newsgroup but no replies yet. I decided to
then rebuild the index and it's rebuilding really really really slowly. I
had about 80,000 items in the index before, mostly emails and it's taken
12hrs without the PC being under much user usage to index 5,000 items.

In WDS for XP you could tell the indexer to index "now" without waiting for
idle time but I can't find a similar option in Vista.

You guys on the Vista Photos Imaging and eXperience team have been really
responsive so far to my queries here in this newsgroup. Please prod the guys
in the Windows Search/indexing team to take a look every now and then at the
vista.file_management newsgroup.

Cheers

"John Thornton [MSFT]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Indeed, the Photo Gallery does maintain its own index. We did this for
> scenarios exactly like this. Anything you tag should be searchable
> immediately in the gallery.
>
> 5-6 hours for the shell seems rather lengthy for the Windows Search
> indexer to catch-up. Did you just add a bunch of files to the system? If
> the indexer is backed-up it could take a while to get through everything
> but typically a metadata change on 1 file should be caught rather
> instantly.
>
> I'll play with this a bit and see what type of numbers I get on recent
> builds. If you have any more details about what they system was doing it
> may be helpful in reproducing the issue.
>
> Thanks!
> John Thornton
> Program Manager - Vista Photos Imaging and eXperience
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> "Sean McLeod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Hi
>>
>> I created a new tag in Photo Gallery and assigned it to a couple of
>> images. I could immediately then query, sort and group images based on
>> this tag inside the Photo Gallery application.
>>
>> However it took quite a few hours, probably 5-6 hours before I could
>> query based on this new tag using the generic search interface launched
>> via the 'Start->Search the Index' UI.
>>
>> I've posted a separate question about how to make the Windows Search
>> indexer more aggressive in terms of picking up file changes and indexing
>> them in the 'file_management' newsgroup.
>>
>> However I was assuming that Photo Gallery was itself querying the same
>> index as the generic seach UI launched from the Start menu was. Is this
>> not the case? Does Photo Gallery maintain it's own index over and above
>> the Windows Search index? Or does it supplement it's searches with manual
>> scans through the images in addition to using the Windows Search index?
>>
>> Cheers

>
 

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S

Sean McLeod

Instead of maintaining your own index could you not have some synchronous
API call to the main Windows Search indexing service to get it to perform an
immediate index of the file that the user adds a tag to in Photo Gallery?

One less index and associated code to maintain etc. And this separate index
may explain the difference in query abilities/syntax in the Photo Gallery
versus regular Windows Search UI, see my other post - "Photo Gallery's
search box not consistent with regular Windows Search".

Cheers

"John Thornton [MSFT]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Indeed, the Photo Gallery does maintain its own index. We did this for
> scenarios exactly like this. Anything you tag should be searchable
> immediately in the gallery.
>
> 5-6 hours for the shell seems rather lengthy for the Windows Search
> indexer to catch-up. Did you just add a bunch of files to the system? If
> the indexer is backed-up it could take a while to get through everything
> but typically a metadata change on 1 file should be caught rather
> instantly.
>
> I'll play with this a bit and see what type of numbers I get on recent
> builds. If you have any more details about what they system was doing it
> may be helpful in reproducing the issue.
>
> Thanks!
> John Thornton
> Program Manager - Vista Photos Imaging and eXperience
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
> "Sean McLeod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Hi
>>
>> I created a new tag in Photo Gallery and assigned it to a couple of
>> images. I could immediately then query, sort and group images based on
>> this tag inside the Photo Gallery application.
>>
>> However it took quite a few hours, probably 5-6 hours before I could
>> query based on this new tag using the generic search interface launched
>> via the 'Start->Search the Index' UI.
>>
>> I've posted a separate question about how to make the Windows Search
>> indexer more aggressive in terms of picking up file changes and indexing
>> them in the 'file_management' newsgroup.
>>
>> However I was assuming that Photo Gallery was itself querying the same
>> index as the generic seach UI launched from the Start menu was. Is this
>> not the case? Does Photo Gallery maintain it's own index over and above
>> the Windows Search index? Or does it supplement it's searches with manual
>> scans through the images in addition to using the Windows Search index?
>>
>> Cheers

>
 

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