Re: Better.... much better.

[Buford T. Justice]

True, but that is not what you said. You said you knew of no requirements
to use Microsoft online services in which case I corrected you.

BT

"Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:#[email protected]

> None of those are required to run WLM.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>
>
> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> Hotmail, Messenger, Calendar, etc. Those are Microsoft online services.
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> How so? I'm not aware of that requirement.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> Except for having a Windows Live ID. Usually by having an @msn.com or
>>>> @hotmail.com or @live.com e-mail address.
>>>>
>>>> BT
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>>>>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>>>>> online services.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Daze N. Knights" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%[email protected]
>>>>>>I have a second question regarding WLM. What do you think about the
>>>>>>following opinion of WLM quoted from another newsgroup?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It's a trick to get you to use Microsoft's online services. Don't
>>>>>> buy into it. If you do, you're only furthering their goal of getting
>>>>>> everybody to use thin clients and to pay fees for online programs
>>>>>> instead of having them installed on your computer."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daze N. Knights wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Michael:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
>>>>>>> Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to continue
>>>>>>> doing so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current setup, I
>>>>>>> would nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to see what I
>>>>>>> think of it. Are there any complications involved in downloading and
>>>>>>> installing WLM that I should be aware of? It doesn't, for instance,
>>>>>>> automatically take over as the default e-mail client or newsreader,
>>>>>>> does it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daze
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
>>>>>>>> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
>>>>>>>> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
>>>>>>>> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
>>>>>>>> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>>>>>>>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>>>>>>>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>>>>>>>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>>>>>>>> make it smaller?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>

 

[Ron Sommer]

To use WLM, you are not required to use any Microsoft online services.
That is different from what you just posted.
We are not talking about the requirements to use Microsoft online services.
A requirement to use Microsoft online services is to be registered.

I can check my pop3 email accounts with WLM and not use Hotmail, Messenger,
Calendar, etc.
I am not signed up to use any of those services and if I was signed up, I
won't have to be signed in to check my pop3 accounts.
--
Ronald Sommer

"Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> True, but that is not what you said. You said you knew of no requirements
> to use Microsoft online services in which case I corrected you.
>
> BT
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:#[email protected]

>> None of those are required to run WLM.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>
>>
>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> Hotmail, Messenger, Calendar, etc. Those are Microsoft online services.
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> How so? I'm not aware of that requirement.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>> Except for having a Windows Live ID. Usually by having an @msn.com or
>>>>> @hotmail.com or @live.com e-mail address.
>>>>>
>>>>> BT
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>>>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>>>>>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>>>>>> online services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Daze N. Knights" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%[email protected]
>>>>>>>I have a second question regarding WLM. What do you think about the
>>>>>>>following opinion of WLM quoted from another newsgroup?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It's a trick to get you to use Microsoft's online services. Don't
>>>>>>> buy into it. If you do, you're only furthering their goal of getting
>>>>>>> everybody to use thin clients and to pay fees for online programs
>>>>>>> instead of having them installed on your computer."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daze N. Knights wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Michael:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to continue
>>>>>>>> doing so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current setup, I
>>>>>>>> would nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to see what I
>>>>>>>> think of it. Are there any complications involved in downloading
>>>>>>>> and installing WLM that I should be aware of? It doesn't, for
>>>>>>>> instance, automatically take over as the default e-mail client or
>>>>>>>> newsreader, does it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daze
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
>>>>>>>>> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
>>>>>>>>> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
>>>>>>>>> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
>>>>>>>>> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>>>>>>>>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>>>>>>>>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>>>>>>>>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>>>>>>>>> make it smaller?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>

 

[Buford T. Justice]

I wasn't talking about WLM. I was talking about Microsoft online services.

BT

"Ron Sommer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> To use WLM, you are not required to use any Microsoft online services.
> That is different from what you just posted.
> We are not talking about the requirements to use Microsoft online
> services.
> A requirement to use Microsoft online services is to be registered.
>
> I can check my pop3 email accounts with WLM and not use Hotmail,
> Messenger, Calendar, etc.
> I am not signed up to use any of those services and if I was signed up, I
> won't have to be signed in to check my pop3 accounts.
> --
> Ronald Sommer
>
> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> True, but that is not what you said. You said you knew of no
>> requirements to use Microsoft online services in which case I corrected
>> you.
>>
>> BT
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:#[email protected]

>>> None of those are required to run WLM.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> Hotmail, Messenger, Calendar, etc. Those are Microsoft online
>>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>> How so? I'm not aware of that requirement.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>> Except for having a Windows Live ID. Usually by having an @msn.com
>>>>>> or @hotmail.com or @live.com e-mail address.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>>>>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>>>>>>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>>>>>>> online services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Daze N. Knights" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%[email protected]
>>>>>>>>I have a second question regarding WLM. What do you think about the
>>>>>>>>following opinion of WLM quoted from another newsgroup?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It's a trick to get you to use Microsoft's online services. Don't
>>>>>>>> buy into it. If you do, you're only furthering their goal of
>>>>>>>> getting everybody to use thin clients and to pay fees for online
>>>>>>>> programs instead of having them installed on your computer."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daze N. Knights wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Michael:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to continue
>>>>>>>>> doing so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current setup, I
>>>>>>>>> would nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to see what I
>>>>>>>>> think of it. Are there any complications involved in downloading
>>>>>>>>> and installing WLM that I should be aware of? It doesn't, for
>>>>>>>>> instance, automatically take over as the default e-mail client or
>>>>>>>>> newsreader, does it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Daze
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
>>>>>>>>>> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
>>>>>>>>>> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
>>>>>>>>>> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
>>>>>>>>>> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>>>>>>>>>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>>>>>>>>>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>>>>>>>>>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>>>>>>>>>> make it smaller?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>

 

[Dave]

Yes you were... The whole thread was about WLM.


"Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> I wasn't talking about WLM. I was talking about Microsoft online
> services.
>
> BT
>
> "Ron Sommer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> To use WLM, you are not required to use any Microsoft online services.
>> That is different from what you just posted.
>> We are not talking about the requirements to use Microsoft online
>> services.
>> A requirement to use Microsoft online services is to be registered.
>>
>> I can check my pop3 email accounts with WLM and not use Hotmail,
>> Messenger, Calendar, etc.
>> I am not signed up to use any of those services and if I was signed up, I
>> won't have to be signed in to check my pop3 accounts.
>> --
>> Ronald Sommer
>>
>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> True, but that is not what you said. You said you knew of no
>>> requirements to use Microsoft online services in which case I corrected
>>> you.
>>>
>>> BT
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>> None of those are required to run WLM.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>> Hotmail, Messenger, Calendar, etc. Those are Microsoft online
>>>>> services.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>> How so? I'm not aware of that requirement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>> Except for having a Windows Live ID. Usually by having an @msn.com
>>>>>>> or @hotmail.com or @live.com e-mail address.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>>>>>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>>>>>>>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>>>>>>>> online services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Daze N. Knights" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>I have a second question regarding WLM. What do you think about the
>>>>>>>>>following opinion of WLM quoted from another newsgroup?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It's a trick to get you to use Microsoft's online services. Don't
>>>>>>>>> buy into it. If you do, you're only furthering their goal of
>>>>>>>>> getting everybody to use thin clients and to pay fees for online
>>>>>>>>> programs instead of having them installed on your computer."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Daze N. Knights wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Michael:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to
>>>>>>>>>> continue doing so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current
>>>>>>>>>> setup, I would nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to
>>>>>>>>>> see what I think of it. Are there any complications involved in
>>>>>>>>>> downloading and installing WLM that I should be aware of? It
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't, for instance, automatically take over as the default
>>>>>>>>>> e-mail client or newsreader, does it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Daze
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
>>>>>>>>>>> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
>>>>>>>>>>> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
>>>>>>>>>>> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
>>>>>>>>>>> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>>>>>>>>>>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>>>>>>>>>>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>>>>>>>>>>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>>>>>>>>>>> make it smaller?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

In reference to using WLM I said "There is no requirement
to try or use any of Microsoft's online services."
I stand by my statement. You haven't proved otherwise.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


"Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]

> True, but that is not what you said. You said you knew of no requirements
> to use Microsoft online services in which case I corrected you.
>
> BT
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:#[email protected]

>> None of those are required to run WLM.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>
>>
>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> Hotmail, Messenger, Calendar, etc. Those are Microsoft online services.
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> How so? I'm not aware of that requirement.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>> Except for having a Windows Live ID. Usually by having an @msn.com or
>>>>> @hotmail.com or @live.com e-mail address.
>>>>>
>>>>> BT
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>>>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>>>>>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>>>>>> online services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Daze N. Knights" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%[email protected]
>>>>>>>I have a second question regarding WLM. What do you think about the
>>>>>>>following opinion of WLM quoted from another newsgroup?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It's a trick to get you to use Microsoft's online services. Don't
>>>>>>> buy into it. If you do, you're only furthering their goal of getting
>>>>>>> everybody to use thin clients and to pay fees for online programs
>>>>>>> instead of having them installed on your computer."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daze N. Knights wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Michael:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to continue
>>>>>>>> doing so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current setup, I
>>>>>>>> would nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to see what I
>>>>>>>> think of it. Are there any complications involved in downloading and
>>>>>>>> installing WLM that I should be aware of? It doesn't, for instance,
>>>>>>>> automatically take over as the default e-mail client or newsreader,
>>>>>>>> does it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daze
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
>>>>>>>>> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
>>>>>>>>> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
>>>>>>>>> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
>>>>>>>>> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>>>>>>>>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>>>>>>>>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>>>>>>>>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>>>>>>>>> make it smaller?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Exactly.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:%[email protected]

> Yes you were... The whole thread was about WLM.
>
>
> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]l.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> I wasn't talking about WLM. I was talking about Microsoft online
>> services.
>>
>> BT
>>
>> "Ron Sommer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> To use WLM, you are not required to use any Microsoft online services.
>>> That is different from what you just posted.
>>> We are not talking about the requirements to use Microsoft online
>>> services.
>>> A requirement to use Microsoft online services is to be registered.
>>>
>>> I can check my pop3 email accounts with WLM and not use Hotmail,
>>> Messenger, Calendar, etc.
>>> I am not signed up to use any of those services and if I was signed up, I
>>> won't have to be signed in to check my pop3 accounts.
>>> --
>>> Ronald Sommer
>>>
>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> True, but that is not what you said. You said you knew of no
>>>> requirements to use Microsoft online services in which case I corrected
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> BT
>>>>
>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>>> None of those are required to run WLM.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>> Hotmail, Messenger, Calendar, etc. Those are Microsoft online
>>>>>> services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>> How so? I'm not aware of that requirement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> Except for having a Windows Live ID. Usually by having an @msn.com
>>>>>>>> or @hotmail.com or @live.com e-mail address.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:#[email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>>>>>>>>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>>>>>>>>> online services.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Daze N. Knights" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>I have a second question regarding WLM. What do you think about the
>>>>>>>>>>following opinion of WLM quoted from another newsgroup?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "It's a trick to get you to use Microsoft's online services. Don't
>>>>>>>>>> buy into it. If you do, you're only furthering their goal of
>>>>>>>>>> getting everybody to use thin clients and to pay fees for online
>>>>>>>>>> programs instead of having them installed on your computer."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Daze N. Knights wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Michael:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to
>>>>>>>>>>> continue doing so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current
>>>>>>>>>>> setup, I would nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to
>>>>>>>>>>> see what I think of it. Are there any complications involved in
>>>>>>>>>>> downloading and installing WLM that I should be aware of? It
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't, for instance, automatically take over as the default
>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail client or newsreader, does it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Daze
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
>>>>>>>>>>>> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
>>>>>>>>>>>> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
>>>>>>>>>>>> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
>>>>>>>>>>>> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>>>>>>>>>>>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>>>>>>>>>>>> make it smaller?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>

 

[Buford T. Justice]

This is what you said earlier...

Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
online services.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

You have to have a Windows Live ID to use Microsoft online services. Got to have it for Hotmail. Got to have for Windows Live Messenger. Got to have it for the Calendar Beta. Got to have it for MSN. Yada yada yada...

 

[Buford T. Justice]

So you are saying it is possible to use Hotmail (a Microsoft online service)
without a Hotmail address?

"Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> In reference to using WLM I said "There is no requirement
> to try or use any of Microsoft's online services."
> I stand by my statement. You haven't proved otherwise.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

I wasn't talking about Hotmail. The discussion was about WLM.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


"Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]

> So you are saying it is possible to use Hotmail (a Microsoft online service)
> without a Hotmail address?
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> In reference to using WLM I said "There is no requirement
>> to try or use any of Microsoft's online services."
>> I stand by my statement. You haven't proved otherwise.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Regarding those two sentences of mine you quoted.
Notice that one sentence immediately follows the other.
Those are not stand-alone sentences or stand-alone concepts.
Anyone who understands the meaning of 'context' will know
that the sentence "There is no requirement to try or use any
of Microsoft's online services" was in reference to trying or
using WLM.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


"Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
This is what you said earlier...

Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
online services.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

You have to have a Windows Live ID to use Microsoft online services. Got to have it for Hotmail. Got to have for Windows Live
Messenger. Got to have it for the Calendar Beta. Got to have it for MSN. Yada yada yada...

 

[Buford T. Justice]

Look I am not trying to be argumentative with you, but you were not taken
out of context. You made two separate statements the later being incorrect.
I guess it was just worded funny, but I take it that you were trying to say,
"There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's online services
within WLM." Without the WLM part, it is quite easy to see that you could
have meant ANY Microsoft online service regardless of it being in WLM or
not.

BT

"Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> I wasn't talking about Hotmail. The discussion was about WLM.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>
>
> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> So you are saying it is possible to use Hotmail (a Microsoft online
>> service)
>> without a Hotmail address?
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> In reference to using WLM I said "There is no requirement
>>> to try or use any of Microsoft's online services."
>>> I stand by my statement. You haven't proved otherwise.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

 

[Buford T. Justice]

Look at my reply a few posts below this one.

"Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:#[email protected]

> Regarding those two sentences of mine you quoted.
> Notice that one sentence immediately follows the other.
> Those are not stand-alone sentences or stand-alone concepts.
> Anyone who understands the meaning of 'context' will know
> that the sentence "There is no requirement to try or use any
> of Microsoft's online services" was in reference to trying or
> using WLM.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>
>
> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> This is what you said earlier...
>
> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
> online services.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>
> You have to have a Windows Live ID to use Microsoft online services. Got
> to have it for Hotmail. Got to have for Windows Live Messenger. Got to
> have it for the Calendar Beta. Got to have it for MSN. Yada yada yada...

 

[Ron Sommer]

If it was quite easy, then why are you the only one having the
interpretation problem?

Your suggested revision is worse than the original statement.

This is the way that I have read and understood Gary's statement:
Using WLM does not require trying or using Microsoft's online services.

The original question meant that the discussion was to be about WLM.
"What do you think about the following opinion of WLM quoted from another
newsgroup?"
--
Ronald Sommer


"Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> Look I am not trying to be argumentative with you, but you were not taken
> out of context. You made two separate statements the later being
> incorrect. I guess it was just worded funny, but I take it that you were
> trying to say, "There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
> online services within WLM." Without the WLM part, it is quite easy to
> see that you could have meant ANY Microsoft online service regardless of
> it being in WLM or not.
>
> BT
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> I wasn't talking about Hotmail. The discussion was about WLM.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>
>>
>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> So you are saying it is possible to use Hotmail (a Microsoft online
>>> service)
>>> without a Hotmail address?
>>>
>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> In reference to using WLM I said "There is no requirement
>>>> to try or use any of Microsoft's online services."
>>>> I stand by my statement. You haven't proved otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

>

 

[Buford T. Justice]

"Ron Sommer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:#eLJ#[email protected]

> If it was quite easy, then why are you the only one having the
> interpretation problem?

Because it is flawed. Saying that there are no requirements to use
Microsoft online services is not correct. Saying that there are no
requirements to use Microsoft online services within WLM is correct. I
guess I am the only person here who takes this to mean two entirely
different things. Let me try to explain...

In regards to "no requirements to use Microsoft online services is not
correct", that is not correct. If you want to use Hotmail for your e-mail,
you would obviously have the requirement of needing a Hotmail account. If
you used MSN as your ISP, you would obviously need an MSN account to log in.
If you used OneCare, you would need a license. If you wanted to use Windows
Live Messenger, you would need a Windows Live ID. Etc. These are all
Microsoft online services that have requirements to use them.

In regards to "no requirements to use Microsoft online services within WLM",
that is correct. You don't need to sign into Windows Live with a Hotmail,
Live, or MSN account if you have POP3 or IMAP e-mail accounts from other
providers.

> Your suggested revision is worse than the original statement.

No, the revision showed that he would have meant there are no requirements
to use Microsoft online services in WLM. If you want to get real picky,
there may be people who have to use MSN since that is their ISP in order to
check their e-mail with WLM. In that case, MSN (a Microsoft online service)
would be required to use WLM.

> This is the way that I have read and understood Gary's statement:
> Using WLM does not require trying or using Microsoft's online services.
>
> The original question meant that the discussion was to be about WLM.
> "What do you think about the following opinion of WLM quoted from another
> newsgroup?"
> --
> Ronald Sommer

Agreed

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

That's OK. I'm done in this thread. We can agree to disagree about
the meaning of what I said.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


"Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]

> Look at my reply a few posts below this one.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:#[email protected]

>> Regarding those two sentences of mine you quoted.
>> Notice that one sentence immediately follows the other.
>> Those are not stand-alone sentences or stand-alone concepts.
>> Anyone who understands the meaning of 'context' will know
>> that the sentence "There is no requirement to try or use any
>> of Microsoft's online services" was in reference to trying or
>> using WLM.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>
>>
>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> This is what you said earlier...
>>
>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>> online services.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>
>> You have to have a Windows Live ID to use Microsoft online services. Got
>> to have it for Hotmail. Got to have for Windows Live Messenger. Got to
>> have it for the Calendar Beta. Got to have it for MSN. Yada yada yada...

>

 

[Buford T. Justice]

Agreed.

"Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> That's OK. I'm done in this thread. We can agree to disagree about
> the meaning of what I said.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>
>
> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]

>> Look at my reply a few posts below this one.
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:#[email protected]

>>> Regarding those two sentences of mine you quoted.
>>> Notice that one sentence immediately follows the other.
>>> Those are not stand-alone sentences or stand-alone concepts.
>>> Anyone who understands the meaning of 'context' will know
>>> that the sentence "There is no requirement to try or use any
>>> of Microsoft's online services" was in reference to trying or
>>> using WLM.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Buford T. Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>> This is what you said earlier...
>>>
>>> Whoever wrote that obviously hasn't tried WLM.
>>> There is no requirement to try or use any of Microsoft's
>>> online services.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>>
>>> You have to have a Windows Live ID to use Microsoft online services.
>>> Got to have it for Hotmail. Got to have for Windows Live Messenger.
>>> Got to have it for the Calendar Beta. Got to have it for MSN. Yada
>>> yada yada...

>>