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Devin Somerton

#1
Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then realized
its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two or more
computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks or even
download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making money and
not here for the average user.
 

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Kevin Spencer

#2
And would you go to your job if they didn't pay you? It's called "work," and
yes, it's all about making money.

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Software Composer
http://unclechutney.blogspot.com

The shortest distance between 2 points is a curve.

"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:D29933F1-CED9-475E-8F6A-B68046E93A7F@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks
> or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making
> money and not here for the average user.
 

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

#3
One license, one computer.
The way it has always been since at least Windows 95.

Perhaps most do have more than one computer, but do most also need to
upgrade all their computers to Vista?
Probably not.

"No wonder why people..."
Again probably not.
Dishonest people do unethical things because it is in their nature.
Price is simply an excuse some use to justify their behavior.
Would you believe that excuse from people stealing goods or services from
you simply because they thought you cost to much.

"Microsoft is all about making money"
Yes, pretty much, it is called business and the stockholders demand it.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:D29933F1-CED9-475E-8F6A-B68046E93A7F@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks
> or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making
> money and not here for the average user.
 

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Roscoe

#4
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:ODgv5YJTHHA.388@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> One license, one computer.
> The way it has always been since at least Windows 95.
>
> Perhaps most do have more than one computer, but do most also need to
> upgrade all their computers to Vista?
> Probably not.
>
> "No wonder why people..."
> Again probably not.
> Dishonest people do unethical things because it is in their nature.
> Price is simply an excuse some use to justify their behavior.
> Would you believe that excuse from people stealing goods or services from
> you simply because they thought you cost to much.
>
> "Microsoft is all about making money"
> Yes, pretty much, it is called business and the stockholders demand it.


When its only about making money, its pretty sad.

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
> news:D29933F1-CED9-475E-8F6A-B68046E93A7F@microsoft.com...
>> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
>> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
>> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create
>> cracks or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about
>> making money and not here for the average user.

>
 

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Robert Moir

#5
Roscoe wrote:

>
> When its only about making money, its pretty sad.
>


Well you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Modern business is _all_
'only about making money'. In fact there is a legal requirement for any
corporation that it be all 'only about making money'.

Is this wrong? Yes, sure. Specifcally, are Microsoft wrong to go about
licences for their OS in the way that they do? In my opinion most definately
yes. But for them to do otherwise would be to break the law.
 

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#6
"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote

> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks
> or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making
> money and not here for the average user.


It's been this way since win 3.1 I believe. Why did you believe it was
going to be different in Vista? There is a Family discount plan. Buy one
retail Ultimate full or upgrade edition and you can purchase up to two Vista
Home Premium Upgrade editions for $49.99 each. Offer good only in the US.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
 

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#7
"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:D29933F1-CED9-475E-8F6A-B68046E93A7F@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks
> or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making
> money and not here for the average user.


Sour grapes. You're just pissed because they're figuring out ways to make
you pay for what you use.
 

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Devin Somerton

#8
it started with windows XP, windows 3.11 was on floppy there was no security
measures, win 98, win ME didnt have it either I have full copies and could
install them on any system. "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:u5Fdl3LTHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote
>
>> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
>> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
>> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create
>> cracks or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about
>> making money and not here for the average user.

>
> It's been this way since win 3.1 I believe. Why did you believe it was
> going to be different in Vista? There is a Family discount plan. Buy one
> retail Ultimate full or upgrade edition and you can purchase up to two
> Vista Home Premium Upgrade editions for $49.99 each. Offer good only in
> the US.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
 

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

#9
Rock is referring to the licensing. not the measures to enforce the license.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:86D83450-FA0A-4565-9DD6-52B9A6FEB43D@microsoft.com...
> it started with windows XP, windows 3.11 was on floppy there was no
> security measures, win 98, win ME didnt have it either I have full copies
> and could install them on any system. "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in
> message news:u5Fdl3LTHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
 

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#10
"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote

> it started with windows XP, windows 3.11 was on floppy there was no
> security measures, win 98, win ME didnt have it either I have full copies
> and could install them on any system.


"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote

>> "Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote
>>
>>> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
>>> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
>>> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create
>>> cracks or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all
>>> about making money and not here for the average user.

>>
>> It's been this way since win 3.1 I believe. Why did you believe it was
>> going to be different in Vista? There is a Family discount plan. Buy
>> one retail Ultimate full or upgrade edition and you can purchase up to
>> two Vista Home Premium Upgrade editions for $49.99 each. Offer good only
>> in the US.


Oops I wasn't clear. I meant licensing, one license per computer. Yes
activation was started wit Win XP. Yes you could install those other
versions on multiple computers, and that's why we got stuck with activation.
Because people like you couldn't abide by the agreement on it's use. You
(and the rest of us) have only people like you to blame for the current
millstone of activation.

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Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
 

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Ed Stoddard

#11
Yup, we have all those "license violators" to thank for the current system of
activating Windows. Thanks Devin! ;)

"Rock" wrote:

> "Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote
>
> > it started with windows XP, windows 3.11 was on floppy there was no
> > security measures, win 98, win ME didnt have it either I have full copies
> > and could install them on any system.

>
> "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote
>
> >> "Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote
> >>
> >>> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
> >>> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
> >>> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create
> >>> cracks or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all
> >>> about making money and not here for the average user.
> >>
> >> It's been this way since win 3.1 I believe. Why did you believe it was
> >> going to be different in Vista? There is a Family discount plan. Buy
> >> one retail Ultimate full or upgrade edition and you can purchase up to
> >> two Vista Home Premium Upgrade editions for $49.99 each. Offer good only
> >> in the US.

>
> Oops I wasn't clear. I meant licensing, one license per computer. Yes
> activation was started wit Win XP. Yes you could install those other
> versions on multiple computers, and that's why we got stuck with activation.
> Because people like you couldn't abide by the agreement on it's use. You
> (and the rest of us) have only people like you to blame for the current
> millstone of activation.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
>
 

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Robert Moir

#12
Devin Somerton wrote:
> it started with windows XP, windows 3.11 was on floppy there was no
> security measures, win 98, win ME didnt have it either I have full
> copies and could install them on any system.


Just because you "could" doesn't mean you were "supposed to".

I mean, I "could" go running up the street here with a baseball bat smashing
in the lights and windows of every parked car I see. Leaving aside for the
moment the important fact that my car would be out there and that I actually
quite like my various neighbours, I "could" do this to all their cars if I
really wanted to.

I'm fairly sure, however, the police would quickly turn up and point out to
me quite firmly that the fact it is possible to do something doesn't mean
that you're allowed to.
 

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David J. Craig

#13
Good analogy. Though I would say going to your neighbor's cars and taking
their windshields and other externally accessible items. You get Windows
media and then install it on multiple computers. You have 'taken' something
from someone. If you want it free, try freedos, Linux, BSD Unix, Solaris,
etc. Even Apple doesn't give away OS updates any more.

"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Devin Somerton wrote:
>> it started with windows XP, windows 3.11 was on floppy there was no
>> security measures, win 98, win ME didnt have it either I have full
>> copies and could install them on any system.

>
> Just because you "could" doesn't mean you were "supposed to".
>
> I mean, I "could" go running up the street here with a baseball bat
> smashing in the lights and windows of every parked car I see. Leaving
> aside for the moment the important fact that my car would be out there and
> that I actually quite like my various neighbours, I "could" do this to all
> their cars if I really wanted to.
>
> I'm fairly sure, however, the police would quickly turn up and point out
> to me quite firmly that the fact it is possible to do something doesn't
> mean that you're allowed to.
>
>
>
 

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SteveC

#14
Well, they are flaming you, but you are correct. It is one thing to expect Businesses to shell out money per copy, but there ought to be home licenses that allow you to install on up to 3 PCs, which is what they do with WLOC. If you go to microsoft's marketplace, there is some sort of complicated deal for buying additional licenses of home premium for $40 but I think you have to have Ultimate.

With Ultimate costing upwards of $300, it is probably cheaper and better to buy a new PC with Vista preloaded especially if your PC is over a year old. I love MS and think it is a great company, and I sympathized with them over Bill Clinton's Justice Dept, which sued them for IE's being included with the operating system, but the many flavors of Vista and the high price per copy smacks of true monopolistic behavior and they are going to end up in trouble again.

I have two problems with them. I think $100 for an upgrade to Vista is plenty to charge and I don't buy crippled software. I got Ultimate, but just bought one copy. I will buy new machine and laptop later with Vista. I am disappointed with Microsoft, but I think they will come around ultimately. They usually end up doing the right thing.

"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote in message news:D29933F1-CED9-475E-8F6A-B68046E93A7F@microsoft.com...
Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then realized
its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two or more
computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks or even
download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making money and
not here for the average user.
 

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SteveC

#15
That is not a bad deal; problem is a lot of us have XP Pro and buying Ultimate upgrade works but Home Premium doesn't. Why not an option for a second copy of Ultimate?
"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message news:u5Fdl3LTHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote

> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks
> or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making
> money and not here for the average user.


It's been this way since win 3.1 I believe. Why did you believe it was
going to be different in Vista? There is a Family discount plan. Buy one
retail Ultimate full or upgrade edition and you can purchase up to two Vista
Home Premium Upgrade editions for $49.99 each. Offer good only in the US.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
 

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"SteveC" <sconklan.nospam.yahoo.com> wrote

That is not a bad deal; problem is a lot of us have XP Pro and buying
Ultimate upgrade works but Home Premium doesn't. Why not an option for a
second copy of Ultimate?

"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote

"Devin Somerton" <dsomerton@bluebottle.com> wrote

> Microsoft is on crack, I purchased home premium, installed it then
> realized its good for one CPU License. Most households now days have two
> or more computers this is not the 80's. No wonder why people create cracks
> or even download illegal copies of windows. Microsoft is all about making
> money and not here for the average user.


>> It's been this way since win 3.1 I believe. Why did you believe it was
>> going to be different in Vista? There is a Family discount plan. Buy
>> one
>> retail Ultimate full or upgrade edition and you can purchase up to two
>> Vista
>> Home Premium Upgrade editions for $49.99 each. Offer good only in the
>> US.


You'd have to ask MS marketing that question.

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Roy Coorne

#17
Robert Moir wrote:
> Roscoe wrote:
>
>> When its only about making money, its pretty sad.
>>

>
> Well you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Modern business is _all_
> 'only about making money'. In fact there is a legal requirement for any
> corporation that it be all 'only about making money'.
>
> Is this wrong? Yes, sure. Specifcally, are Microsoft wrong to go about
> licences for their OS in the way that they do? In my opinion most definately
> yes. But for them to do otherwise would be to break the law.


Ridiculous... never heard of non-profit corporations?

Have a look at, e. g.,

<http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Non-profit_organizations>


Roy
 

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Robert Moir

#18
On 2007-02-13 18:09:51 +0000, Roy Coorne <rcoorne@hotmail.com> said:
> Ridiculous... never heard of non-profit corporations?
>
> Have a look at, e. g.,
>
> <http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Non-profit_organizations>
>
>
> Roy


Actually, given that I live in the UK and from my conversations here
I'm clearly some kind of techie rather than an international business
lawyer, you might want to forgive me for not being intimately familiar
with every obscure aspect of US business law.

Or you could pull your head out the clouds and realise that "non-profit
organisation" clearly doesn't apply to the likes of Microsoft, Sun,
Apple, etc. as we were discussing in this thread. To suggest
otherwise, well that would be "Ridiculous..." but never mind, I'm sure
you feel good all over because you think you've proven something.

I think my point still stands.

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