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Vista / Windows 7 provides no real benefits

J

John Rivers

#1
I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
£2000

not including my time - It will take around 100 hours

This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
not work on Vista

and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
product"
even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
OS

Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
be worked around

All this takes time MY VALUABLE time

In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money

In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great

But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me

I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem

just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
money out of us

If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users

or to me

I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
 

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R

Richard Urban

#2
"John Rivers" <first10@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-ef026aba8d1f@newsgroup
I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
£2000

not including my time - It will take around 100 hours

This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
not work on Vista

and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
product"
even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
OS

Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
be worked around

All this takes time MY VALUABLE time

In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money

In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great

But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me

I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem

just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
money out of us

If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users

or to me

I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)


*******************************************

My benefit is this!

Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.

What more can I say?

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience & Security
 

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lemur

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#4
It's not for you and that's cool. But were you looking for a solution or a shoulder?
 

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R
#5
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:27:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:

> "John Rivers" <first10@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-
ef026aba8d1f@newsgroup...

> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
> £2000
>
> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
>
> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
> not work on Vista
>
> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
> product"
> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different OS
>
> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
> be worked around
>
> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
>
> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
>
> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to Windows
> 2000 and Windows XP were great
>
> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly transparent
> to normal users - even monster power users like me
>
> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
>
> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more money
> out of us
>
> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
>
> or to me
>
> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
>
>
> *******************************************
>
> My benefit is this!
>
> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
>
> What more can I say?
Geez - I haven't had a single hang or crash in over five years!
 

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lemur

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#6
Please kill this post
 

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Vjekoslav

#7
I don't know John, what you acctually use your comp for???
Your story about windows 7 is nothing but funny.
All the best to you.
 

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#8
I don't know John, what you acctually use your comp for???
Your story about windows 7 is nothing but funny.
All the best to you.

True, +1. People like John probably still deplore that the Cro Magnon came to Europe 35.000 years ago. They would have preferred the "cozy" Neandertal life.
 

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#9

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Gene E. Bloch

#11
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:23:48 -0700 (PDT), John Rivers wrote:

> Many of you are both irritating *and* boring
>
> My mistake for posting in the wrong place
Maybe it was the wrong post, rather than the wrong place :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
 

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Sentar

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#12
I am Happy with my VISTA ULT 64bit and Vista Pro 32bit.
I/we will NOT be moving to WIN7 reasons are that I consider that the changes to WIN7 and the REMOVAL of the "CLASSIC" interface a bad move.
Like John I have calculated that to move 115 users to WIN7 would cost approx NZ$3000.00 per user = cost of the O/S + updating and upgrades + Training of users + Downtime and loss of productivity = NO GO.
 

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whs

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#13
I am Happy with my VISTA ULT 64bit and Vista Pro 32bit.
I/we will NOT be moving to WIN7 reasons are that I consider that the changes to WIN7 and the REMOVAL of the "CLASSIC" interface a bad move.
Like John I have calculated that to move 115 users to WIN7 would cost approx NZ$3000.00 per user = cost of the O/S + updating and upgrades + Training of users + Downtime and loss of productivity = NO GO.

Sentar, you are the 3d person I see that is attached to the classic interface. What is so special about this interface that makes it so important. I personally never use it, although I know what it is. Just curious.
 

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Sentar

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#14
Re: "CLASSIC" interface and the Classic START...

REASONS...
I have been in the computer industry for 22 years.
1) When XP PRO came out I loved the way it worked "Classic/Start" I could find
change and store files where I wanted to.
2) VISTA Ult and Pro I nerver did use the interface that MS started in when you
installed it, I reverted to the "Classicc" option and did so for all 115 users and
they all asked how to revert so they could change their system purchased for
home.
3) NOW along comes WIN7 where MS has againg drastically altered the
UI/Start/and file systems. The first thing I looked for was the option to use the
"Classic" interface SHOCK HORROR MS had removed it completely, NO option
just NOT there.

I have spent the last 3 weeks around 4 hours a day attempting to learn "MS's WAY" yet at the end of the day I come back to my Vista system and complete jobs/business that I did not complete on WIN7.

I have attempted to bite the bullet and use WIN7 but sorry the frustration level is higher than my ability to concertrate.
In a effort to ensure that it was NOT me I have provided 2 systems (1 x DT and 1 x N/B) with WIN7 and have asked my users to use these systems for 1 week.
I assure you that after 2 days I have been told give me back my orginal system or I will resign, this was not a selected few it was new employees, older secretarys and users.

I cannot allow my business to be hijacked and bankrupted by MicroSoft.
I can only imagine the disruption to a corporate or large business.

I hope this gives you an insite.

Regards Carl
 

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    c: 320GB Seagate SATA single Platter
    RAID installed 4 x SATA Seagate NQC 250Mb drives (2 x set to Raid 1 and 2 x set to Raid 0),
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lemur

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Re: "CLASSIC" interface and the Classic START...

I hope this gives you an insite.

Regards Carl
This has given me great INSIGHT. You have trouble with new technology, that's fine. You want to troll Vista sites to complain, that's fine too. But have no doubt there are many fine people here with years of experience with UNIX, Linux, Mac, and all varieties of Microsoft Windows. If you are looking for converts to join your hatred of Vista and Windows 7, you have come to the wrong place. Where you see failure, we see opportunity. Where you enjoy a stasis, we enjoy change. While you yearn for Apple II, we see the excitement of multi-core processors - with software that can take full advantage of computational power, incredibly powerful graphics, and cutting edge (not bleeding edge) technology.

So good luck to you, and all your future "insites" with Microsoft. Just as long as you understand we don't really value your negative opinions.
 

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Sentar

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#16
Re: "CLASSIC" interface and the Classic START...

I hope this gives you an insite.

Regards Carl
This has given me great INSIGHT. You have trouble with new technology, that's fine. You want to troll Vista sites to complain, that's fine too. But have no doubt there are many fine people here with years of experience with UNIX, Linux, Mac, and all varieties of Microsoft Windows. If you are looking for converts to join your hatred of Vista and Windows 7, you have come to the wrong place. Where you see failure, we see opportunity. Where you enjoy a stasis, we enjoy change. While you yearn for Apple II, we see the excitement of multi-core processors - with software that can take full advantage of computational power, incredibly powerful graphics, and cutting edge (not bleeding edge) technology.

So good luck to you, and all your future "insites" with Microsoft. Just as long as you understand we don't really value your negative opinions.
You asked for my response.

I am NOT trolling the Vista sites to rubbish MS or VISTA.

If you read my resopnse and did NOT jump to conclusions you would have relaised that Im happy with VISTA and XP.

What I was stating is that WIN7 offers me no advantage to encourage me to UPGRADE (I never upgrade I always do a clean install from a full diskset).
If the "CLASSIC / START" were available I would go to WIN7.

SO Please DONT state incorrectly that I'm a Microsoft basher.
 

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    Graphics Card(s)
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    Sound Card
    M/B (ADI AD2000B) Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    AOC 19: Wide AOC 917Wx
    Screen Resolution
    1400x900
    Hard Drives
    c: 320GB Seagate SATA single Platter
    RAID installed 4 x SATA Seagate NQC 250Mb drives (2 x set to Raid 1 and 2 x set to Raid 0),
    External Seagate 320 Welland SATA
    PSU
    ZALMAN ZM850-HP modular
    Case
    Gigabyte Poseidon GZ-XA1CA
    Cooling
    Std CPU and M/B with additional 3 x Fans
    Mouse
    MS Optical 2000 with Keyboard
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    MS Wireless 1000 with mouse
    Internet Speed
    ADSL Max down 128 up
    Other Info
    This is a custom system that I researched and built

whs

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#17
Re: "CLASSIC" interface and the Classic START...

REASONS...
I have been in the computer industry for 22 years.
1) When XP PRO came out I loved the way it worked "Classic/Start" I could find
change and store files where I wanted to.
2) VISTA Ult and Pro I nerver did use the interface that MS started in when you
installed it, I reverted to the "Classicc" option and did so for all 115 users and
they all asked how to revert so they could change their system purchased for
home.
3) NOW along comes WIN7 where MS has againg drastically altered the
UI/Start/and file systems. The first thing I looked for was the option to use the
"Classic" interface SHOCK HORROR MS had removed it completely, NO option
just NOT there.

I have spent the last 3 weeks around 4 hours a day attempting to learn "MS's WAY" yet at the end of the day I come back to my Vista system and complete jobs/business that I did not complete on WIN7.

I have attempted to bite the bullet and use WIN7 but sorry the frustration level is higher than my ability to concertrate.
In a effort to ensure that it was NOT me I have provided 2 systems (1 x DT and 1 x N/B) with WIN7 and have asked my users to use these systems for 1 week.
I assure you that after 2 days I have been told give me back my orginal system or I will resign, this was not a selected few it was new employees, older secretarys and users.

I cannot allow my business to be hijacked and bankrupted by MicroSoft.
I can only imagine the disruption to a corporate or large business.

I hope this gives you an insite.

Regards Carl

Thanks Carl, that is a very interesting perspective. It is always interesting to hear the view of a real customer. I was in large systems software development since 1961 and know that in these circles one can easily get disconnected from the real customers. The logics applied in the development houses (especially when it is the biggest company in the industry), can very easily land on cloud 9.
On the other hand, you sometimes have to decide to leave legacy behind - else the system will mushroom forever. And then you get complains too. It looks like in this case MS picked the wrong facility.
However, I have also learned over the years that people do not like change all together - even at the system professional level (or for that matter in any life situation). Maybe that is why progress is coming in such small doses.
 

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