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Why doesn't OWA 2003 work with live mail?

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Armand Welsh

#1
I upgraded from the outlook express to windows live mail. Before the
upgrade, I was able to get my school email in outlook express via HTTP.
those same settings no longer work on live mail. and when I try to create a
new account using the wizard, I receive an authentication error from
mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/ which is trying to authenticate me
with the wrong login ID.

help?

Armand
 

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Hal Hostetler [MVP P/I]

#2
No, you were *not* using Outlook Express to get mail from an Exchange Server
(OWA) via HTTP. The *only* HTTP services Outlook Express can work with are
HotMail and MSN. OWA only works with a web browser. If you were using
Outlook Express with an Exchange Server, you were using either POP3 or IMAP.
Neither Windows Mail nor Windows Live Mail will allow HTTP access to an
Exchange Server. Your options are POP3 and IMAP. If you want OWA (Outlook
Web Access, which is an HTTP representation of an Outlook client that lives
on the Exchange Server), use IE.

Hal
--
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Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
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"Armand Welsh" <armand@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:88E29082-FB5D-4B0A-B0AB-1280975B3997@xxxxxx

> I upgraded from the outlook express to windows live mail. Before the
> upgrade, I was able to get my school email in outlook express via HTTP.
> those same settings no longer work on live mail. and when I try to create
a

> new account using the wizard, I receive an authentication error from
> mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/ which is trying to authenticate
me

> with the wrong login ID.
>
> help?
>
> Armand
>
 

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Gary VanderMolen

#3
Incidentally, Microsoft Exchange servers require a hotfix in order to support
Vista OWA clients:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911829

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"Hal Hostetler [MVP P/I]" <hhh@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:unKagA1cIHA.4436@xxxxxx

> No, you were *not* using Outlook Express to get mail from an Exchange Server
> (OWA) via HTTP. The *only* HTTP services Outlook Express can work with are
> HotMail and MSN. OWA only works with a web browser. If you were using
> Outlook Express with an Exchange Server, you were using either POP3 or IMAP.
> Neither Windows Mail nor Windows Live Mail will allow HTTP access to an
> Exchange Server. Your options are POP3 and IMAP. If you want OWA (Outlook
> Web Access, which is an HTTP representation of an Outlook client that lives
> on the Exchange Server), use IE.
>
> Hal
> --
> Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- hhh@xxxxxx
> Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
> http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
> KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
> Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
>
> "Armand Welsh" <armand@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:88E29082-FB5D-4B0A-B0AB-1280975B3997@xxxxxx

>> I upgraded from the outlook express to windows live mail. Before the
>> upgrade, I was able to get my school email in outlook express via HTTP.
>> those same settings no longer work on live mail. and when I try to create
> a

>> new account using the wizard, I receive an authentication error from
>> mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/ which is trying to authenticate
> me

>> with the wrong login ID.
>>
>> help?
>>
>> Armand
>>
>
>
 

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Armand Welsh

#4
Surely, you can't be serious about this post. Outlook Express, did/does
connect via HTTP protocol to the Exchange 2000/2003 OWA servers (both as
bridgehead, and direct) via the WebDAV protocol, as published in a Microsoft
hosted article (I cannot find it for reference at this moment). The process
to doing this is the same for both Outlook Express (version 6 or newer), and
the outlook webmail connector, which is what I am using now with outlook
2007 as a temporary work-around.

1) create a new account
2) select the protocol "http"
3) select "other" as the provider type (available options are: hotmail, msn,
other)
4) enter the url as: http://server.dns.name/exchange/mailbox_name (ex:
https://mail.myserver.com/exchange/Armand.Welsh )
5) select the login user name, and password for the connection
6) leave the SPA authentication feature turned off

Now, upon first connection, the client obtains a list of all the folders
(calendars, and contacts do not work, due to webDAV content restrictions,
that prohibit the content to all clients other than IE6 browsers, which I
personally verfied by creating my own custom webDAV client to pull this
information, by faking an IE 6/7 browser). Once the folders list is
obtained, then the client begins downloading the inbox content.



"Hal Hostetler [MVP P/I]" <hhh@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:unKagA1cIHA.4436@xxxxxx

> No, you were *not* using Outlook Express to get mail from an Exchange
> Server
> (OWA) via HTTP. The *only* HTTP services Outlook Express can work with
> are
> HotMail and MSN. OWA only works with a web browser. If you were using
> Outlook Express with an Exchange Server, you were using either POP3 or
> IMAP.
> Neither Windows Mail nor Windows Live Mail will allow HTTP access to an
> Exchange Server. Your options are POP3 and IMAP. If you want OWA
> (Outlook
> Web Access, which is an HTTP representation of an Outlook client that
> lives
> on the Exchange Server), use IE.
>
> Hal
> --
> Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- hhh@xxxxxx
> Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
> http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
> KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
> Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
>
> "Armand Welsh" <armand@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:88E29082-FB5D-4B0A-B0AB-1280975B3997@xxxxxx

>> I upgraded from the outlook express to windows live mail. Before the
>> upgrade, I was able to get my school email in outlook express via HTTP.
>> those same settings no longer work on live mail. and when I try to
>> create
> a

>> new account using the wizard, I receive an authentication error from
>> mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/ which is trying to authenticate
> me

>> with the wrong login ID.
>>
>> help?
>>
>> Armand
>>
>
>
 

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Armand Welsh

#5
I did have the problem described in the knowledge base article when
connecting to my school using the web browser of my vista machine, however,
I worked around it by tweeking the security settings of the trusted sites
zone, and adding the site to this zone.

because of the change I made to my browser, the mailbox always opens in a
new window, and the site is fully functional. I don't know if this is
related to the same cause as the kb article, but the symptoms were the same.

this doesn't affect me either way. I just want to access my exchange mail
via the OWA WebDAV api, so that I can use my mail client, and not the
browser, to access my mail, like I used to do.

It's quite amusing how the person who replied to my message originally,
completely ignored that fact that I was doing this before the upgrade to the
new program, dismissing the issue as one that never worked... I guess the
lack of communication at microsoft, discussed the on the live mail blog
site, is pretty accurate...

Armand
"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uiQnwD5cIHA.3940@xxxxxx

> Incidentally, Microsoft Exchange servers require a hotfix in order to
> support
> Vista OWA clients:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911829
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)
>
>
> "Hal Hostetler [MVP P/I]" <hhh@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:unKagA1cIHA.4436@xxxxxx

>> No, you were *not* using Outlook Express to get mail from an Exchange
>> Server
>> (OWA) via HTTP. The *only* HTTP services Outlook Express can work with
>> are
>> HotMail and MSN. OWA only works with a web browser. If you were using
>> Outlook Express with an Exchange Server, you were using either POP3 or
>> IMAP.
>> Neither Windows Mail nor Windows Live Mail will allow HTTP access to an
>> Exchange Server. Your options are POP3 and IMAP. If you want OWA
>> (Outlook
>> Web Access, which is an HTTP representation of an Outlook client that
>> lives
>> on the Exchange Server), use IE.
>>
>> Hal
>> --
>> Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- hhh@xxxxxx
>> Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
>> http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
>> KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
>> Live at Hot Licks - www.badnewsbluesband.com
>>
>> "Armand Welsh" <armand@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:88E29082-FB5D-4B0A-B0AB-1280975B3997@xxxxxx

>>> I upgraded from the outlook express to windows live mail. Before the
>>> upgrade, I was able to get my school email in outlook express via HTTP.
>>> those same settings no longer work on live mail. and when I try to
>>> create
>> a

>>> new account using the wizard, I receive an authentication error from
>>> mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/ which is trying to
>>> authenticate
>> me

>>> with the wrong login ID.
>>>
>>> help?
>>>
>>> Armand
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Victek

#6
> It's quite amusing how the person who replied to my message originally,

> completely ignored that fact that I was doing this before the upgrade to
> the new program, dismissing the issue as one that never worked... I guess
> the lack of communication at microsoft, discussed the on the live mail
> blog site, is pretty accurate...
>
I think the problem here stems from your subject referring to Outlook Web
Access 2003 (OWA 2003) when in fact you're talking about the loss of hotmail
( and similar ) support in Windows Mail compared with Outlook Express.
Outlook Web Access 2003 does not appear to have anything to do with the
problem you had. OWA refers to a separate technology that is used in
conjunction with Outlook and MS Exchange Server to enable users to view
their email in a web browser instead of the Outlook client.
 

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Ildhund

#7
Armand Welsh wrote...

> I just want to access my exchange mail via the OWA WebDAV api, so that I
> can use my mail client, and not the browser, to access my mail, like I
> used to do.
From a post by Andy Glover, Software Engineer on the Windows Live Mail team
a few months ago:

"WebDAV is no longer supported in Windows Live Mail. The only HTTP accounts
that we support are those stored on Hotmail."
http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...517843-91ac-40ef-97a0-c8f392f26ed6&sloc=en-us

> It's quite amusing how the person who replied to my message originally,
> completely ignored that fact that I was doing this before the upgrade to
> the new program, dismissing the issue as one that never worked... I guess
> the lack of communication at microsoft, discussed the on the live mail
> blog site, is pretty accurate...
I can't see that anyone from Microsoft has contributed to this thread. Two
experienced posters, who by their dedication to helping others in
peer-to-peer forums like this have earned the right to call themselves MVP,
have tried to point out to you that HTTP access to mail accounts other than
Hotmail doesn't work in WLMail. If your school doesn't offer IMAP (or POP3)
access to their Exchange server, then perhaps you ought to try persuading
them to do so.
--
Noel
 

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PA Bear [MS MVP]

#8
You have have been accessing your MSN/Hotmail account in OE but it wasn't
via OWA, Armand.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
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Armand Welsh wrote:

> Surely, you can't be serious about this post. Outlook Express, did/does
> connect via HTTP protocol to the Exchange 2000/2003 OWA servers (both as
> bridgehead, and direct) via the WebDAV protocol...
 

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N. Miller

#9
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:36:13 -0800, Armand Welsh wrote:

> I upgraded from the outlook express to windows live mail. Before the
> upgrade, I was able to get my school email in outlook express via HTTP.
> those same settings no longer work on live mail.
HTTPMail access with MS Outlook Express requires that the mail server use
WebDAV. Windows Live Mail does not use WebDAV for HTTPMail access.

> ...and when I try to create a new account using the wizard, I receive an
> authentication error from mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/
> which is trying to authenticate me with the wrong login ID.
>
> help?
DeltaSync replaces WebDAV for HTTPMail access. If "school" mail servers are
running a WebDAV utility to allow HTTPMail access, Windows Live Mail will
not work.

I don't know what any of that has to do with Outlook Web Access.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
 

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apwelsh

#10
I have never accessed my hotmail account.... how do I know this?
because I don't have one... I have been using Outlook Express to
access my school's OWA account. I will review the reference to the
claim that Windows Live Mail no longer supports webDav. my
understanding was that the windows mail client with vista doesn't
support webDav. There was a document from microsoft that claimed that
windows live mail would allow for this type of access when it is
released. If neither windows live mail nor windows mail work, then I
guess I will go back to outlook express, or I'll just have to switch
to the bloated outlook mail client, where I can use the webmail plugin
to access exchange server via the webDav interface of OWA.

Armand
 

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Guest

#11
"apwelsh" <armand@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> I have never accessed my hotmail account.... how do I know this?
> because I don't have one... I have been using Outlook Express to
> access my school's OWA account. I will review the reference to the
> claim that Windows Live Mail no longer supports webDav. my
> understanding was that the windows mail client with vista doesn't
> support webDav. There was a document from microsoft that claimed that
> windows live mail would allow for this type of access when it is
> released. If neither windows live mail nor windows mail work, then I
> guess I will go back to outlook express, or I'll just have to switch
> to the bloated outlook mail client, where I can use the webmail plugin
> to access exchange server via the webDav interface of OWA.
>
> Armand
I think I've read that this is likely to happen if the OWA server is
several months behind in applying updates, since there was one
several months ago to improve access for Vista users.
 

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pope1096

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Surely, the responses to the gentlemen's query can not be serious. We come to these forums because some of them, this one among them, are excellent resources due to both the experience and the intellect of the administrators. However, these virtues make you no better (or worse) than the inquirer. The snobbery and elitism in these responses makes one think that the disdain the administrators displayed is a result of being bullied in their conformable years. Quite sad really. Gentlemen, may I politely suggest to walk upstairs, knock on your mothers door, work these issues out with her. When you are able to pull yourself together and mom asserts that you are nice boys and she is your friend, come back to the friendly periphery of the basement and remember that the people come here for your help, not your degradation.
 

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