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Why Windows Live Mail??

J

James Ivey

#1
Long-time Outlook Express user.

Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
Windows Mail??

James
 

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M

Michael Santovec

#2
Microsoft wants you do use Windows Live Mail (WLM).

Like Outlook Express, Microsoft has dropped development of the Vista
Window Mail (WM) other than security fixes and possibly some minor
updates.

WLM is the only free mail client that Microsoft is moving forward with.

As for some other differences, WLM supports HTTP and WM does not.

On the other hand, if you are big into stationery, WM has better support
than WLM.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>
> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail
> or Windows Mail??
>
> James
>
 

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R

R. C. White

#3
Hi, James.

There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express is
built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.

But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a free
download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes the
WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program Files\Windows
Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon and shortcut if
you choose.

WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both set
to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few days to
be sure that both databases get updated.

As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)


"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>
> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
> Windows Mail??
>
> James
 

My Computer

J

James Ivey

#4
Thanks Michael. Appreciate your reply.

What do you mean by "supports HTTP"? What does that do for me?

Not big into stationery, but I do use it on occasion and have created a few
for those occasions. Does WLM support stationery at all?

James


"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eZVQ5LLAJHA.3964@xxxxxx

> Microsoft wants you do use Windows Live Mail (WLM).
>
> Like Outlook Express, Microsoft has dropped development of the Vista
> Window Mail (WM) other than security fixes and possibly some minor
> updates.
>
> WLM is the only free mail client that Microsoft is moving forward with.
>
> As for some other differences, WLM supports HTTP and WM does not.
>
> On the other hand, if you are big into stationery, WM has better support
> than WLM.
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>
>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
>> Windows Mail??
>>
>> James
>>
>
 

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J

James Ivey

#5
Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.

Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?

Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?

James


"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

> Hi, James.
>
> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
> want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express is
> built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
>
> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>
> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
> the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon
> and shortcut if you choose.
>
> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
> both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
> set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
> days to be sure that both databases get updated.
>
> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
> about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
>
> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>
>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
>> Windows Mail??
>>
>> James
>
 

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#6
"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

> Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
>
> Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
>
> Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
>
They both support newsgroups.

Too many 'bells & whistles' in WLM for me.


--
Regards Steve.
MS-MVP. MAIL. [DTS] UK.
http://www.getsafeonline.org/
 

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G

Gary VanderMolen

#7
HTTP is a generic description for the email protocol used by webmail
services such as Hotmail and its siblings (MSN and Live.com email).
WLM (but not WM) allows you to set up Hotmail accounts in it.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uCH0VeMAJHA.1184@xxxxxx

> Thanks Michael. Appreciate your reply.
>
> What do you mean by "supports HTTP"? What does that do for me?
>
> Not big into stationery, but I do use it on occasion and have created a few
> for those occasions. Does WLM support stationery at all?
>
> James
>
>
> "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eZVQ5LLAJHA.3964@xxxxxx

>> Microsoft wants you do use Windows Live Mail (WLM).
>>
>> Like Outlook Express, Microsoft has dropped development of the Vista
>> Window Mail (WM) other than security fixes and possibly some minor
>> updates.
>>
>> WLM is the only free mail client that Microsoft is moving forward with.
>>
>> As for some other differences, WLM supports HTTP and WM does not.
>>
>> On the other hand, if you are big into stationery, WM has better support
>> than WLM.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

>>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>>
>>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
>>> Windows Mail??
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>
>
>
 

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G

Gary VanderMolen

#8
No, WLM is not web-based. It is a stand-alone desktop email
client like Windows Mail. Yes, it supports newsgroups, just
like OE and WM.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

> Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
>
> Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
>
> Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
>
> James
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

>> Hi, James.
>>
>> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
>> want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express is
>> built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
>>
>> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
>> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>
>> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
>> the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
>> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon
>> and shortcut if you choose.
>>
>> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
>> both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
>> set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
>> days to be sure that both databases get updated.
>>
>> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
>> about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@xxxxxx
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>
>>
>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

>>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>>
>>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
>>> Windows Mail??
>>>
>>> James
>>
>
>
 

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R

R. C. White

#9
Hi, James.

While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve, right?),
overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use of several versions of
OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will look very
familiar; the View menu still offers to Group by conversation; you can still
create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder structure does take
some getting used to, and so do Quick views. Newsgroup support is not
exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.

A major difference from OE to WLM is in the storage of the messages on our
hard drive. OE created a few "folders" with names like Family.dbx and
stored many messages in each .dbx file. WLM stores each message as an
individual file: an .eml file for each email and a .nws file for each
newsgroup message. With OE, a thousand 1 KB messages from your Mom might
add up to a single 1 MB Mom.dbx file. WLM will create 1,000 .eml files;
because NTFS knows some storage tricks for small files, they might take much
less than 1 MB. But the important point is that a single bad byte in a .dbx
file might cost you the whole 1,000 messages; a bad byte in an .eml file
would cost you only that one message. (As Paul Harvey says, "Don't ask me
for details. I've already told you more than I know." But other experts
here can explain it to both of us if necessary.)

I've never used an HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or IMAP mail account,
so I can't tell you anything about those. I've had several POP3 accounts
over the years and now monitor 3 daily.

Try both WM and WLM for a week or two and see which YOU like better.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

> Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
>
> Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
>
> Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
>
> James
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

>> Hi, James.
>>
>> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
>> want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express
>> is built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
>>
>> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
>> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>
>> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
>> the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
>> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon
>> and shortcut if you choose.
>>
>> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
>> both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
>> set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
>> days to be sure that both databases get updated.
>>
>> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
>> about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
>>
>> RC
>>
>>
>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

>>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>>
>>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail
>>> or Windows Mail??
>>>
>>> James
 

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D

D. Spencer Hines

#10
Good Post...

Very Candid.

Thanks.

DSH

"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Ow$RLdNAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

> Hi, James.
>
> While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve, right?),
> overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use of several versions
> of OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will look very
> familiar; the View menu still offers to Group by conversation; you can
> still create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder structure
> does take some getting used to, and so do Quick views. Newsgroup support
> is not exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.
>
> A major difference from OE to WLM is in the storage of the messages on our
> hard drive. OE created a few "folders" with names like Family.dbx and
> stored many messages in each .dbx file. WLM stores each message as an
> individual file: an .eml file for each email and a .nws file for each
> newsgroup message. With OE, a thousand 1 KB messages from your Mom might
> add up to a single 1 MB Mom.dbx file. WLM will create 1,000 .eml files;
> because NTFS knows some storage tricks for small files, they might take
> much less than 1 MB. But the important point is that a single bad byte in
> a .dbx file might cost you the whole 1,000 messages; a bad byte in an .eml
> file would cost you only that one message. (As Paul Harvey says, "Don't
> ask me for details. I've already told you more than I know." But other
> experts here can explain it to both of us if necessary.)
>
> I've never used an HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or IMAP mail
> account, so I can't tell you anything about those. I've had several POP3
> accounts over the years and now monitor 3 daily.
>
> Try both WM and WLM for a week or two and see which YOU like better.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
 

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J

James Ivey

#11
Thanks R. C. Good post and I appreciate it.

I just downloaded and installed WLM and I'm going to give it a go. I'm not
crazy about the way the folder list lays out... separate folders for each
email account. I've got several accounts, and it’s a little cumbersome.

Probably just take some getting used to.

Yes, I discovered the store folder and the way it stores individual .eml
files. Interesting.

Thanks again for your considered reply.

James
Dallas, TX



"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Ow$RLdNAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

> Hi, James.
>
> While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve, right?),
> overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use of several versions
> of OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will look very
> familiar; the View menu still offers to Group by conversation; you can
> still create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder structure
> does take some getting used to, and so do Quick views. Newsgroup support
> is not exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.
>
> A major difference from OE to WLM is in the storage of the messages on our
> hard drive. OE created a few "folders" with names like Family.dbx and
> stored many messages in each .dbx file. WLM stores each message as an
> individual file: an .eml file for each email and a .nws file for each
> newsgroup message. With OE, a thousand 1 KB messages from your Mom might
> add up to a single 1 MB Mom.dbx file. WLM will create 1,000 .eml files;
> because NTFS knows some storage tricks for small files, they might take
> much less than 1 MB. But the important point is that a single bad byte in
> a .dbx file might cost you the whole 1,000 messages; a bad byte in an .eml
> file would cost you only that one message. (As Paul Harvey says, "Don't
> ask me for details. I've already told you more than I know." But other
> experts here can explain it to both of us if necessary.)
>
> I've never used an HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or IMAP mail
> account, so I can't tell you anything about those. I've had several POP3
> accounts over the years and now monitor 3 daily.
>
> Try both WM and WLM for a week or two and see which YOU like better.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

>> Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
>>
>> Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
>>
>> Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

>>> Hi, James.
>>>
>>> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
>>> want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express
>>> is built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
>>>
>>> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
>>> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>>
>>> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
>>> the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
>>> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the
>>> icon and shortcut if you choose.
>>>
>>> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
>>> both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
>>> set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
>>> days to be sure that both databases get updated.
>>>
>>> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read
>>> all about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
>>>
>>> RC
>>>
>>>
>>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx
>>>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>>>
>>>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail
>>>> or Windows Mail??
>>>>
>>>> James
>
 

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R

Ron Sommer

#12
There is a default account in WLM, but the setting is only used when you
want to send an email from another program.
If you open an email composition window, the From address will be for the
account with the currently viewed folder.
--
Ronald Sommer

"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#nzMVnNAJHA.3964@xxxxxx

> Thanks R. C. Good post and I appreciate it.
>
> I just downloaded and installed WLM and I'm going to give it a go. I'm
> not crazy about the way the folder list lays out... separate folders for
> each email account. I've got several accounts, and it’s a little
> cumbersome.
>
> Probably just take some getting used to.
>
> Yes, I discovered the store folder and the way it stores individual .eml
> files. Interesting.
>
> Thanks again for your considered reply.
>
> James
> Dallas, TX
>
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:Ow$RLdNAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

>> Hi, James.
>>
>> While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve,
>> right?), overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use of several
>> versions of OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will
>> look very familiar; the View menu still offers to Group by conversation;
>> you can still create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder
>> structure does take some getting used to, and so do Quick views.
>> Newsgroup support is not exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.
>>
>> A major difference from OE to WLM is in the storage of the messages on
>> our hard drive. OE created a few "folders" with names like Family.dbx
>> and stored many messages in each .dbx file. WLM stores each message as
>> an individual file: an .eml file for each email and a .nws file for each
>> newsgroup message. With OE, a thousand 1 KB messages from your Mom might
>> add up to a single 1 MB Mom.dbx file. WLM will create 1,000 .eml files;
>> because NTFS knows some storage tricks for small files, they might take
>> much less than 1 MB. But the important point is that a single bad byte
>> in a .dbx file might cost you the whole 1,000 messages; a bad byte in an
>> .eml file would cost you only that one message. (As Paul Harvey says,
>> "Don't ask me for details. I've already told you more than I know." But
>> other experts here can explain it to both of us if necessary.)
>>
>> I've never used an HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or IMAP mail
>> account, so I can't tell you anything about those. I've had several POP3
>> accounts over the years and now monitor 3 daily.
>>
>> Try both WM and WLM for a week or two and see which YOU like better.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@xxxxxx
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>
>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

>>> Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
>>>
>>> Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
>>>
>>> Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx
>>>> Hi, James.
>>>>
>>>> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether
>>>> you want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook
>>>> Express is built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on
>>>> WinXP.
>>>>
>>>> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
>>>> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>>>
>>>> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just
>>>> deletes the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
>>>> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the
>>>> icon and shortcut if you choose.
>>>>
>>>> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to
>>>> run both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave
>>>> both set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a
>>>> few days to be sure that both databases get updated.
>>>>
>>>> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read
>>>> all about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
>>>>
>>>> RC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx
>>>>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail
>>>>> or Windows Mail??
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>
 

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W

...winston

#13
Messages for Http accounts(hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com) are stored locally on your hard drive *and* on the Hotmail server. WLM
mirrors the folders on the web, messages remain in both locations until deleted.
Note: The Junk Mail folder and Sent Items folder do have some restrictions..Mail will deleted from both of those folder after a
period of time

Messages in Pop3 accounts are stored on your hard drive(folders are not synchronized).

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

> Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
>
> Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
>
> Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
>
> James
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

>> Hi, James.
>>
>> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as
>> Outlook Express is built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
>>
>> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>
>> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to
>> C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon and shortcut if you choose.
>>
>> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being
>> sure to leave both set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few days to be sure that both databases
>> get updated.
>>
>> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all about that on these two newsgroups where you've
>> cross-posted.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@xxxxxx
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>
>>
>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

>>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>>
>>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or Windows Mail??
>>>
>>> James
>>
>
>
 

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W

...winston

#14
If you just installed WLM, no messages should reside unless you imported messages from a prior email client. If not placed in the
email account folders(WLM places them there).

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"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#nzMVnNAJHA.3964@xxxxxx

> Thanks R. C. Good post and I appreciate it.
>
> I just downloaded and installed WLM and I'm going to give it a go. I'm not crazy about the way the folder list lays out...
> separate folders for each email account. I've got several accounts, and it’s a little cumbersome.
>
> Probably just take some getting used to.
>
> Yes, I discovered the store folder and the way it stores individual .eml files. Interesting.
>
> Thanks again for your considered reply.
>
> James
> Dallas, TX
>
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:Ow$RLdNAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

>> Hi, James.
>>
>> While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve, right?), overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use
>> of several versions of OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will look very familiar; the View menu still offers
>> to Group by conversation; you can still create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder structure does take some getting
>> used to, and so do Quick views. Newsgroup support is not exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.
>>
>> A major difference from OE to WLM is in the storage of the messages on our hard drive. OE created a few "folders" with names
>> like Family.dbx and stored many messages in each .dbx file. WLM stores each message as an individual file: an .eml file for
>> each email and a .nws file for each newsgroup message. With OE, a thousand 1 KB messages from your Mom might add up to a single
>> 1 MB Mom.dbx file. WLM will create 1,000 .eml files; because NTFS knows some storage tricks for small files, they might take
>> much less than 1 MB. But the important point is that a single bad byte in a .dbx file might cost you the whole 1,000 messages;
>> a bad byte in an .eml file would cost you only that one message. (As Paul Harvey says, "Don't ask me for details. I've already
>> told you more than I know." But other experts here can explain it to both of us if necessary.)
>>
>> I've never used an HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or IMAP mail account, so I can't tell you anything about those. I've had
>> several POP3 accounts over the years and now monitor 3 daily.
>>
>> Try both WM and WLM for a week or two and see which YOU like better.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@xxxxxx
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>>
>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

>>> Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
>>>
>>> Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
>>>
>>> Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx
>>>> Hi, James.
>>>>
>>>> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just
>>>> as Outlook Express is built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
>>>>
>>>> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>>>
>>>> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to
>>>> C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon and shortcut if you choose.
>>>>
>>>> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being
>>>> sure to leave both set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few days to be sure that both databases
>>>> get updated.
>>>>
>>>> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all about that on these two newsgroups where you've
>>>> cross-posted.
>>>>
>>>> RC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx
>>>>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or Windows Mail??
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>
 

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Joan Archer

#15
I like it and started to use it with XP earlier this year, I can have all my
accounts, newsgroups and RSS Feeds all in one place. When I got a new
machine with Vista the first thing I did was get WLM.

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"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Ow$RLdNAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

> Hi, James.
>
> While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve, right?),
> overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use of several versions
> of OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will look very
> familiar; the View menu still offers to Group by conversation; you can
> still create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder structure
> does take some getting used to, and so do Quick views. Newsgroup support
> is not exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.
>
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James Ivey

#16
I sure miss having the ability to Preview the message, and view the html
source (as we did in OE).

Does either WM or WLM have this feature?

James


"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

> Hi, James.
>
> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
> want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express is
> built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
>
> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>
> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
> the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon
> and shortcut if you choose.
>
> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
> both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
> set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
> days to be sure that both databases get updated.
>
> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
> about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
>
> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
>>
>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
>> Windows Mail??
>>
>> James
>
 

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#17
"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O6kx1lSAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

> I sure miss having the ability to Preview the message, and view the html source (as
> we did in OE).
>
> Does either WM or WLM have this feature?
In WLM you can right-click the message then choose Properties.
Click the Details tab then click the Message Source button.
Is this what you're looking for?

Tom Lake
 

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James Ivey

#18
No.

In OE, while you are creating a new mail message, you can click View >
Source Edit and then at the bottom of the pane you get 3 tabs: Edit, Source
and Preview

Very handy.

James


"Tom Lake" <toml_12953@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
>
> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:O6kx1lSAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

>> I sure miss having the ability to Preview the message, and view the html
>> source (as we did in OE).
>>
>> Does either WM or WLM have this feature?
>
> In WLM you can right-click the message then choose Properties.
> Click the Details tab then click the Message Source button.
> Is this what you're looking for?
>
> Tom Lake
 

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R. C. White

#19
Hi, James.

I almost never SEND in HTML, so I can't help you there.

But for a message in the Reading Pane (formerly the Preview Pane), the old
<Ctrl>+<F3> trick from OE still works in both WM and WLM. For those
messages, that keystroke combination is a shortcut to File | Properties |
Details | Message Source. And <Alt>+<Enter> is a shortcut for the first two
of those clicks (File | Properties).

RC
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San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> No.
>
> In OE, while you are creating a new mail message, you can click View >
> Source Edit and then at the bottom of the pane you get 3 tabs: Edit,
> Source and Preview
>
> Very handy.
>
> James
>
>
> "Tom Lake" <toml_12953@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:48D13B28-6D39-45E1-9CDE-0DA4C5D2A200@xxxxxx

>>
>>
>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:O6kx1lSAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

>>> I sure miss having the ability to Preview the message, and view the html
>>> source (as we did in OE).
>>>
>>> Does either WM or WLM have this feature?
>>
>> In WLM you can right-click the message then choose Properties.
>> Click the Details tab then click the Message Source button.
>> Is this what you're looking for?
>>
>> Tom Lake
 

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James Ivey

#20
Thanks again R. C.

Well, I hope MS will consider bringing back the Edit, Source, Preview tabs.
Its very handy to have access to the html code when creating a new message.
Handy, too, to be able to preview the message.

Perhaps WM has it. Won't know until I get my sparkling new laptop here in a
few days :o)

James

"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%233q0aeTAJHA.4852@xxxxxx

> Hi, James.
>
> I almost never SEND in HTML, so I can't help you there.
>
> But for a message in the Reading Pane (formerly the Preview Pane), the old
> <Ctrl>+<F3> trick from OE still works in both WM and WLM. For those
> messages, that keystroke combination is a shortcut to File | Properties |
> Details | Message Source. And <Alt>+<Enter> is a shortcut for the first
> two of those clicks (File | Properties).
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uc00Y1SAJHA.4368@xxxxxx

>> No.
>>
>> In OE, while you are creating a new mail message, you can click View >
>> Source Edit and then at the bottom of the pane you get 3 tabs: Edit,
>> Source and Preview
>>
>> Very handy.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> "Tom Lake" <toml_12953@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:48D13B28-6D39-45E1-9CDE-0DA4C5D2A200@xxxxxx

>>>
>>>
>>> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:O6kx1lSAJHA.3404@xxxxxx
>>>> I sure miss having the ability to Preview the message, and view the
>>>> html source (as we did in OE).
>>>>
>>>> Does either WM or WLM have this feature?
>>>
>>> In WLM you can right-click the message then choose Properties.
>>> Click the Details tab then click the Message Source button.
>>> Is this what you're looking for?
>>>
>>> Tom Lake
>
 

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