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Win XP, OS X x86, Vista 5365 - How to install them all? BCDEdit guru's out there?

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Noozer

#1
I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between Win
XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP x64 as
well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any special
instructions needed for doing so?

My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the specified
order, but I have no option to boot OS X...

Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed third
Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed first

What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do anything
special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition as required by
the NTLDR)?

Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS, Win XP
x86 ?

The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding third
party partitions at all.

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 

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Fat Bastard

#2
To the best of my knowledge, there is no way yet to install OSX on PC
hardware. For the other OS's, the trick is just to install them in
chronological order. XP first, then Vista or Longhorn. The Longhorn boot
loader will handle XP fine on it's own.


"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
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>I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between Win
>XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP x64 as
>well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any special
>instructions needed for doing so?
>
> My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the specified
> order, but I have no option to boot OS X...
>
> Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
> Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed third
> Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed first
>
> What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do anything
> special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition as required
> by the NTLDR)?
>
> Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS, Win
> XP x86 ?
>
> The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding
> third party partitions at all.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
 

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

#3
I beg to differ, I have Windows XP x86, XP x64, Server 2003 x86, Server 2003
x64, Vista x64 and OS X x86 Tiger 10.4.5 quadruple booting on my Sempron
2600. Installing is the tricky part.

XP needs to be on the System Partition, OS X x86 needs to be on a bootable
partition, Vista can be on a logical partition. Vista even adds OS X to its
own boot entry (not the legacy one).
I detailed my experiences here:
http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14192
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"Fat Bastard" <bastard@home.com> wrote in message
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> To the best of my knowledge, there is no way yet to install OSX on PC
> hardware. For the other OS's, the trick is just to install them in
> chronological order. XP first, then Vista or Longhorn. The Longhorn boot
> loader will handle XP fine on it's own.
>
>
> "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
> news:O8GgAwIcGHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between Win
>>XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP x64 as
>>well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any special
>>instructions needed for doing so?
>>
>> My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the specified
>> order, but I have no option to boot OS X...
>>
>> Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
>> Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed third
>> Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed first
>>
>> What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do anything
>> special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition as required
>> by the NTLDR)?
>>
>> Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS, Win
>> XP x86 ?
>>
>> The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding
>> third party partitions at all.
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>

>
>
 

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John Jay Smith

#4
how did you obtain OSX x86?

--
"What concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people think
things are."
- Epictetus 55-135

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OjMx4EJcGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I beg to differ, I have Windows XP x86, XP x64, Server 2003 x86, Server
>2003 x64, Vista x64 and OS X x86 Tiger 10.4.5 quadruple booting on my
>Sempron 2600. Installing is the tricky part.
>
> XP needs to be on the System Partition, OS X x86 needs to be on a bootable
> partition, Vista can be on a logical partition. Vista even adds OS X to
> its own boot entry (not the legacy one).
> I detailed my experiences here:
> http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14192
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>
> "Fat Bastard" <bastard@home.com> wrote in message
> news:125nif0b0b2mff3@news.supernews.com...
>> To the best of my knowledge, there is no way yet to install OSX on PC
>> hardware. For the other OS's, the trick is just to install them in
>> chronological order. XP first, then Vista or Longhorn. The Longhorn boot
>> loader will handle XP fine on it's own.
>>
>>
>> "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
>> news:O8GgAwIcGHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between
>>>Win XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP x64
>>>as well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any
>>>special instructions needed for doing so?
>>>
>>> My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the specified
>>> order, but I have no option to boot OS X...
>>>
>>> Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
>>> Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed third
>>> Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed
>>> first
>>>
>>> What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do anything
>>> special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition as required
>>> by the NTLDR)?
>>>
>>> Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS, Win
>>> XP x86 ?
>>>
>>> The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding
>>> third party partitions at all.
>>>
>>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>

>>
>>

>
>
 

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John Jay Smith

#5
Andre... you mean that OSX x86 can run now on any pc and you can actually
dual boot with windows?

I thought that Apple would convert to intel CPUs but the OS wouldnt run on a
pc....!



--
"What concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people think
things are."
- Epictetus 55-135

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OjMx4EJcGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I beg to differ, I have Windows XP x86, XP x64, Server 2003 x86, Server
>2003 x64, Vista x64 and OS X x86 Tiger 10.4.5 quadruple booting on my
>Sempron 2600. Installing is the tricky part.
>
> XP needs to be on the System Partition, OS X x86 needs to be on a bootable
> partition, Vista can be on a logical partition. Vista even adds OS X to
> its own boot entry (not the legacy one).
> I detailed my experiences here:
> http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14192
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>
> "Fat Bastard" <bastard@home.com> wrote in message
> news:125nif0b0b2mff3@news.supernews.com...
>> To the best of my knowledge, there is no way yet to install OSX on PC
>> hardware. For the other OS's, the trick is just to install them in
>> chronological order. XP first, then Vista or Longhorn. The Longhorn boot
>> loader will handle XP fine on it's own.
>>
>>
>> "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
>> news:O8GgAwIcGHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between
>>>Win XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP x64
>>>as well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any
>>>special instructions needed for doing so?
>>>
>>> My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the specified
>>> order, but I have no option to boot OS X...
>>>
>>> Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
>>> Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed third
>>> Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed
>>> first
>>>
>>> What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do anything
>>> special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition as required
>>> by the NTLDR)?
>>>
>>> Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS, Win
>>> XP x86 ?
>>>
>>> The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding
>>> third party partitions at all.
>>>
>>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>

>>
>>

>
>
 

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

#6
Do a Google search. ;) Also, check http://www.osx86procject.org
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"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
news:Od2gowJcGHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> how did you obtain OSX x86?
>
> --
> "What concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people
> think things are."
> - Epictetus 55-135
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OjMx4EJcGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I beg to differ, I have Windows XP x86, XP x64, Server 2003 x86, Server
>>2003 x64, Vista x64 and OS X x86 Tiger 10.4.5 quadruple booting on my
>>Sempron 2600. Installing is the tricky part.
>>
>> XP needs to be on the System Partition, OS X x86 needs to be on a
>> bootable partition, Vista can be on a logical partition. Vista even adds
>> OS X to its own boot entry (not the legacy one).
>> I detailed my experiences here:
>> http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14192
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "Fat Bastard" <bastard@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:125nif0b0b2mff3@news.supernews.com...
>>> To the best of my knowledge, there is no way yet to install OSX on PC
>>> hardware. For the other OS's, the trick is just to install them in
>>> chronological order. XP first, then Vista or Longhorn. The Longhorn boot
>>> loader will handle XP fine on it's own.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
>>> news:O8GgAwIcGHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between
>>>>Win XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP x64
>>>>as well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any
>>>>special instructions needed for doing so?
>>>>
>>>> My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the specified
>>>> order, but I have no option to boot OS X...
>>>>
>>>> Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
>>>> Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed third
>>>> Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed
>>>> first
>>>>
>>>> What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do
>>>> anything special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition
>>>> as required by the NTLDR)?
>>>>
>>>> Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS,
>>>> Win XP x86 ?
>>>>
>>>> The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding
>>>> third party partitions at all.
>>>>
>>>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>
 

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

#7
It can't run out of the box on a x86 PC, it requires some altering,
especially if you want to get it dual booting.
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"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
news:OOqfh3JcGHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Andre... you mean that OSX x86 can run now on any pc and you can actually
> dual boot with windows?
>
> I thought that Apple would convert to intel CPUs but the OS wouldnt run on
> a pc....!
>
>
>
> --
> "What concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people
> think things are."
> - Epictetus 55-135
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OjMx4EJcGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I beg to differ, I have Windows XP x86, XP x64, Server 2003 x86, Server
>>2003 x64, Vista x64 and OS X x86 Tiger 10.4.5 quadruple booting on my
>>Sempron 2600. Installing is the tricky part.
>>
>> XP needs to be on the System Partition, OS X x86 needs to be on a
>> bootable partition, Vista can be on a logical partition. Vista even adds
>> OS X to its own boot entry (not the legacy one).
>> I detailed my experiences here:
>> http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14192
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "Fat Bastard" <bastard@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:125nif0b0b2mff3@news.supernews.com...
>>> To the best of my knowledge, there is no way yet to install OSX on PC
>>> hardware. For the other OS's, the trick is just to install them in
>>> chronological order. XP first, then Vista or Longhorn. The Longhorn boot
>>> loader will handle XP fine on it's own.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
>>> news:O8GgAwIcGHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between
>>>>Win XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP x64
>>>>as well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any
>>>>special instructions needed for doing so?
>>>>
>>>> My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the specified
>>>> order, but I have no option to boot OS X...
>>>>
>>>> Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
>>>> Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed third
>>>> Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed
>>>> first
>>>>
>>>> What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do
>>>> anything special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition
>>>> as required by the NTLDR)?
>>>>
>>>> Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS,
>>>> Win XP x86 ?
>>>>
>>>> The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding
>>>> third party partitions at all.
>>>>
>>>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>
 

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N
#8
If you want to do this easily take a look at BootIt NG, I am currently
booting 8 operating systems off one hard drive and you do not have to do any
manipulating of any file unless you move one of your currently installed
OS's and then you will need to edit the boot file so the partition numbers
match.

Norm
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ukBgV9JcGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It can't run out of the box on a x86 PC, it requires some altering,
> especially if you want to get it dual booting.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:OOqfh3JcGHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Andre... you mean that OSX x86 can run now on any pc and you can actually
>> dual boot with windows?
>>
>> I thought that Apple would convert to intel CPUs but the OS wouldnt run
>> on a pc....!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "What concerns me is not the way things are, but rather the way people
>> think things are."
>> - Epictetus 55-135
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OjMx4EJcGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I beg to differ, I have Windows XP x86, XP x64, Server 2003 x86, Server
>>>2003 x64, Vista x64 and OS X x86 Tiger 10.4.5 quadruple booting on my
>>>Sempron 2600. Installing is the tricky part.
>>>
>>> XP needs to be on the System Partition, OS X x86 needs to be on a
>>> bootable partition, Vista can be on a logical partition. Vista even adds
>>> OS X to its own boot entry (not the legacy one).
>>> I detailed my experiences here:
>>> http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14192
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>
>>> "Fat Bastard" <bastard@home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:125nif0b0b2mff3@news.supernews.com...
>>>> To the best of my knowledge, there is no way yet to install OSX on PC
>>>> hardware. For the other OS's, the trick is just to install them in
>>>> chronological order. XP first, then Vista or Longhorn. The Longhorn
>>>> boot loader will handle XP fine on it's own.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
>>>> news:O8GgAwIcGHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I have one 120gig PATA hard drive. I'd like to be able to boot between
>>>>>Win XP x86, OS X x86 and Vista x64 b5365 (and possibly adding Win XP
>>>>>x64 as well). What order should I install these OS's, and are there any
>>>>>special instructions needed for doing so?
>>>>>
>>>>> My drive was installed using the following partitions, in the
>>>>> specified order, but I have no option to boot OS X...
>>>>>
>>>>> Partition #1- 60gig - Primary, NTFS, Win XP x86 - installed second
>>>>> Partition #2 - 25gig - Primary, NTFS, Vista x64 v5365 - installed
>>>>> third
>>>>> Partition #3 - 25gig - Primary, MAC journaled, OS X x86 - installed
>>>>> first
>>>>>
>>>>> What order do I need to install the above OS's? Do I need to do
>>>>> anything special (like copying the first 512 bytes for each partition
>>>>> as required by the NTLDR)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anything change if I want to add Partition #4 - Primary - NTFS,
>>>>> Win XP x86 ?
>>>>>
>>>>> The documentation for BCDEdit is quite sketchy... Doesn't cover adding
>>>>> third party partitions at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>
 

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Robert Moir

#10
John Jay Smith wrote:
> Andre... you mean that OSX x86 can run now on any pc and you can
> actually dual boot with windows?
>
> I thought that Apple would convert to intel CPUs but the OS wouldnt
> run on a pc....!
>


It works on some PCs. It isn't legal, of course, and the list of supported
hardware is obviously nothing like what Windows or Linux can support because
Apple obviously are not going to bust their humps providing driver support
for a system config that couldn't possibly arise on their own kit.
 

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

#11
My Geforce FX 5200 is not supported. :'(
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"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Jay Smith wrote:
>> Andre... you mean that OSX x86 can run now on any pc and you can
>> actually dual boot with windows?
>>
>> I thought that Apple would convert to intel CPUs but the OS wouldnt
>> run on a pc....!
>>

>
> It works on some PCs. It isn't legal, of course, and the list of supported
> hardware is obviously nothing like what Windows or Linux can support
> because Apple obviously are not going to bust their humps providing driver
> support for a system config that couldn't possibly arise on their own kit.
>
 

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John Jay Smith

#12
how about running it on VMWARE?


"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:u856KJWcGHA.1320@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> John Jay Smith wrote:
>> Andre... you mean that OSX x86 can run now on any pc and you can
>> actually dual boot with windows?
>>
>> I thought that Apple would convert to intel CPUs but the OS wouldnt
>> run on a pc....!
>>

>
> It works on some PCs. It isn't legal, of course, and the list of supported
> hardware is obviously nothing like what Windows or Linux can support
> because Apple obviously are not going to bust their humps providing driver
> support for a system config that couldn't possibly arise on their own kit.
>
 

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Robert Moir

#13
John Jay Smith wrote:
> how about running it on VMWARE?


The position with legalilty and supportability won't change either way with
VMWare or Virtual PC/Server in the mix. That's obvious. Any problems you run
into will force you ask the question about whether or not the hardware is
simply incompatible or whether you're seeing an issue with the virtual
machine.

If you can get it to run in a virtual machine that'll be very cool and a
great hack, but I don't think it'll be easy.

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I'm always surprised at "professionals" who STILL have to be asked "Have you
checked (event viewer / syslog)".
 

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