Inconsistent Vista HID Driver


  1.    14 May 2007 #1
    HankHLiao Guest

    Inconsistent Vista HID Driver


    I was using a Panther DX joystick which is no longer supported by Mad Catz
    (so I can't expect a new driver). Twice when I plugged in the joystick in
    the USB port, the device was recognized as a Human Interface Device (HID) and
    worked with no problem. But for the rest of many times I tried, the joystick
    came up as an unknown device, and it was not recognized as a game controller.
    I plugged the joystick to my old WinME machine and it worked every time.

    What is causing Vista not recognizing the joystick consistently and is there
    anything I can do to solve this problem? Is there a new/better generic HID
    driver that will work better (I Googled it but didn't find free ones that are
    applicable)?

    Thanks.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  2.    14 May 2007 #2
    Don Guest

    Re: Inconsistent Vista HID Driver


    HankHLiao wrote:
    > I was using a Panther DX joystick which is no longer supported by Mad Catz
    > (so I can't expect a new driver). Twice when I plugged in the joystick in
    > the USB port, the device was recognized as a Human Interface Device (HID) and
    > worked with no problem. But for the rest of many times I tried, the joystick
    > came up as an unknown device, and it was not recognized as a game controller...


    If it worked even once, the HID driver is probably not the problem. If
    you look in the Hardware Manager does the joystick show up as an unknown
    device?

    More important, does Vista ask you for drivers for it when you plug it in?



      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  3.    15 May 2007 #3
    HankHLiao Guest

    Re: Inconsistent Vista HID Driver


    I assume you meant Device Manager. When Vista fails to recognize the
    joystick, it shows up under USB controllers as an Unknown Device. When it
    was recognized, it showed under HID. Vista didn't ask me for a driver; it
    just said the device is not recognized.

    Another way to state my question is: I like to update the driver under
    Unknown Device manually to HID, but throughout different manufacturers listed
    under all devices, I could not find the HID driver, yet I know it must be on
    my PC since Vista has used it. Where and how can I specify the HID driver
    manually, and will that solve the recognition problem I am experiencing?

    Thanks.

    "Don" wrote:

    > HankHLiao wrote:
    > > I was using a Panther DX joystick which is no longer supported by Mad Catz
    > > (so I can't expect a new driver). Twice when I plugged in the joystick in
    > > the USB port, the device was recognized as a Human Interface Device (HID) and
    > > worked with no problem. But for the rest of many times I tried, the joystick
    > > came up as an unknown device, and it was not recognized as a game controller...

    >
    > If it worked even once, the HID driver is probably not the problem. If
    > you look in the Hardware Manager does the joystick show up as an unknown
    > device?
    >
    > More important, does Vista ask you for drivers for it when you plug it in?
    >
    >
    >
    >

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  4.    15 May 2007 #4
    Don Guest

    Re: Inconsistent Vista HID Driver


    HankHLiao wrote:
    > I assume you meant Device Manager. When Vista fails to recognize the
    > joystick, it shows up under USB controllers as an Unknown Device. When it
    > was recognized, it showed under HID. Vista didn't ask me for a driver; it
    > just said the device is not recognized.
    >
    > Another way to state my question is: I like to update the driver under
    > Unknown Device manually to HID, but throughout different manufacturers listed
    > under all devices, I could not find the HID driver, yet I know it must be on
    > my PC since Vista has used it. Where and how can I specify the HID driver
    > manually, and will that solve the recognition problem I am experiencing?


    You can point the driver updater to C:\windows\inf\ or even
    C:\windows\system32\DriverStore (that may not be exactly right,
    but you can find it somewhere nearby).

    If that fixes the problem once then you may be able to fix it
    permanently by deleting C:\windows\inf\INFCACHE.1 but that's
    just a guess.

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  5.    16 May 2007 #5
    HankHLiao Guest

    Re: Inconsistent Vista HID Driver


    Yesterday Vista recognized the joystick again so I copied down all the
    information I can get from Device Manager. Two items were listed under Human
    Interface Devices:

    HID-compliant game controller and
    USB Human Interface Device

    Both showed Driver Provider as Microsoft, and driver version 6.0.6000.16386.

    For HID-compliant game controller, there was no Driver Details, as it said,
    "No driver files are required or have been loaded for this device."

    For USB Human Interface Device, 3 files were listed under Details:
    c:\windows\system32\drivers\hidclass.sys
    c:\windows\system32\drivers\hidparse.sys
    c:\windows\system32\drivers\hidusb.sys

    When I tried Update Driver, a whole bunch of HID drivers were displayed
    under various manufacturers, but there was no Mad Catz, and the generic
    driver selected by Vista seemed to be the most appropriate.

    Later, Vista lost the recognition by itself, without me doing anything to
    the joystick or power off the PC. When I checked again, the driver has
    changed back to Unknown Device again.

    When I tried Update Driver for Unknown Device, I was not able to specify any
    of the 3 files listed under USB HID, because the option was looking for INF
    files and these are SYS files. Also the compatible hardware appeared to be
    driven by the device type to begin with. So when the device is unknown, I
    couldn't get to the HID driver selection. Any suggestion?

    Thanks.

    "Don" wrote:

    > HankHLiao wrote:
    > > I assume you meant Device Manager. When Vista fails to recognize the
    > > joystick, it shows up under USB controllers as an Unknown Device. When it
    > > was recognized, it showed under HID. Vista didn't ask me for a driver; it
    > > just said the device is not recognized.
    > >
    > > Another way to state my question is: I like to update the driver under
    > > Unknown Device manually to HID, but throughout different manufacturers listed
    > > under all devices, I could not find the HID driver, yet I know it must be on
    > > my PC since Vista has used it. Where and how can I specify the HID driver
    > > manually, and will that solve the recognition problem I am experiencing?

    >
    > You can point the driver updater to C:\windows\inf\ or even
    > C:\windows\system32\DriverStore (that may not be exactly right,
    > but you can find it somewhere nearby).
    >
    > If that fixes the problem once then you may be able to fix it
    > permanently by deleting C:\windows\inf\INFCACHE.1 but that's
    > just a guess.
    >
    >

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6.    17 Jun 2007 #6
    william frye Guest

    inconsistant vista HID Driver


    did you find a solution to this? I have a similar issue with a scanner which I want to connect via USB. First time it was connected vista automatically found driver (HID). Now when it is connected it is always coming up as a unknown device and when windows tries to find and install a driver I am always getting an error "the system cannot find the file specified".

    EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
    http://www.eggheadcafe.com
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  7.    18 Jun 2007 #7
    HankHLiao Guest

    RE: inconsistant vista HID Driver


    Sorry. I have not made any progress since the last post, and is ready to
    resign that I just have to buy a new USB joystick that is currently
    supported. I fould that the device seems to have a better change being
    recognized if it is plugged in before the PC is powered up, but that is an
    unscientific feeling. I hope someone from Microsoft will be able to answer
    to this mystery.

    Good luck.


    "william frye" wrote:

    > did you find a solution to this? I have a similar issue with a scanner which I want to connect via USB. First time it was connected vista automatically found driver (HID). Now when it is connected it is always coming up as a unknown device and when windows tries to find and install a driver I am always getting an error "the system cannot find the file specified".
    >
    > EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
    > http://www.eggheadcafe.com
    >

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

Inconsistent Vista HID Driver

Similar Threads
Thread Forum
Inconsistent BSODs
For some time now I have been getting frequent BSODs, I mostly just assumed that it was time for a new laptop but I would much rather fix the...
Crashes and Debugging
Vista slowing down..inconsistent internet? Or what?
Hey guys, Lately something has been slowing down, either the internet, or the computer. I think it's the internet being inconsistent. One minute,...
General Discussion
Inconsistent BSOD's
Hi, I have recently moved in at my parents for a short period and connected to my dads wireless network using his Belkin wirless receiver. When I...
Crashes and Debugging
Vista network inconsistent
I have a hp laptop with windows vista home and a desktop with windows vista home. My problem is sometimes I can see and access the network and...
Vista networking & sharing
Access 2003 database inconsistent behaviour between Vista and XP
Hi Groupies: I'm not sure which newsgroup this question belongs to, sorry. I have an Access 2003 database that was built on my Vista laptop....
Vista General
Inconsistent functionality of USB mouse in VISTA with Intellipoint
Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 6000 using Intellipoint 6.1 driver software (with dual receiver - also runs Laser Keyboard 6000 v2 - both are...
Vista hardware & devices
Baffled by Inconsistent and Irrational Vista Backup Behavior
OS is Vista Home Premium. In a nutshell, what I'd like to do is to manually run a full backup for Documents, Pictures, Music and Videos on a...
Vista performance & maintenance

Our Sites
  • Ten Forums
  • Eight Forums
  • Seven Forums
  • Help Me Bake
  • Site Links
  • Contact Us
  • Privacy and Cookies
  • About Us
    Windows Vista Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 10" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

    Designer Media Ltd
    All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52.
    .