Random shutdown after MB/CPU/RAM upgrade on Vista x64

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estugarda

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I upgraded my Vista x64 system with new;
1. MB - MSI K9N Neo V3 AM2
2. CPU - AMD A64 X2 5600+ AM2
3. RAM - 4X1GB DDR2 800

I used to have:
1. MB - ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe S939
2. CPU - AMD A64 x2 4600+ S939
3. RAM - 2X1GB DDR 400

I'm running it on Chieftec 410W PSU, which according to ASUS PSU calculator is enough. Actually my previous S939 system needed more(400W) power than my new system(350W) according to ASUS PSU calculator, and it ran well. It quite old though. 3 years probably, but it's not making any noise and it isn't running hot. It has a big 12cm fan which is running fine and apparently doing a good job.

After Vista reinstall my system randomly, completely shuts down (like when unplugged from power outlet) 2-5 minutes after booting up. Booting process is actually succesuful. All drivers running.

I checked ;
1. cables and srews. Fine.
2. temeperatre. CPU 25-30C, chipset 30C according to MB BIOS. Constant. Fine
3. RAM. Tested in Vista 2pass memory test. Fine.
4. Uninstalled everything not necessary (only MB, CPU, CPU cooler, 1GB RAM, GPU, mouse and keyboard left) to test and relief PSU. After this it seems it is shutting down even faster than before.

It doens't shutdown in Safe Mode though.

What could it be?
PSU? Or MB? Even maybe faluty CPU?

People tell me it is a PSU, but it is just an easiest thing to say. I don't want to spend a lot of money on new PSU finding out it was something else.
 

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I had the same problem a few months ago, after a week of trying different configurations I replaced the mobo (Asus P5N32-E SLI) and the problem was solved.

This might not be the answer to your problem, as IMHO you should be running at least a 500w PSU, but faults like this are hard to pin down and unless you have lots of spares about, it will usualy cost you to find the fault.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Workstation
    Manufacturer/Model
    doofenshmirtz evil incorporated
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5950X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Black 64GB (4x16GB) 3600MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT 16GB ROG Strix LC OC
    Sound Card
    Creative
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 x27" Dell U2724D & 1 x 34" Dell U3415W
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State
    Drive
    PSU
    1500W ThermalTake Toughpower
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT
    Cooling
    Enermax Liqtech 240
    Keyboard
    Surface Ergonomic.
    Mouse
    Logitech Performance MX
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Other Info
    WinTV NovaTD
    HP CP1515n Color Laser
    Sony BD-5300S-0B Blu-ray Writer
    Microsoft LifeCam Cinema
    APC 750i Smart UPS
  • Operating System
    windows 10
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Pro 3
    CPU
    1.9GHz Intel Core i5-4300U (dual-core, 3MB cache, up to 2.9GHz with Turbo Boost)
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Monitor(s) Displays
    12" Multi Touch
    Screen Resolution
    2160 x 144
    Hard Drives
    128GB
    Mouse
    Logitech
    Keyboard
    yes
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
If you have a friend with a spare PSU I would ask if you could borrow it.
If you have no spares start with the cheapest bit of kit you have (PSU) and replace that.
Slowly work your way up until the problem is solved.
You may want to take it to a computer shop to get them to do it as they do have spares and it could save you money in the long run.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    I5 3570K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77-DS3H
    Memory
    4 x 4GB corsair ballistix sport DDR3 1600 Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Geforce GTX 660 TI
    Sound Card
    creative x-fi
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Primary CiBox 22" Widescreen LCD ,Secondary Dell 22" Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    Both 1680 x 1050
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500G HD (SATA) 1 x 2TB USB
    PSU
    Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Complient PSU
    Case
    Antec 900 Ultimate Gaming Case
    Cooling
    3 x 80mm tri led front, 120mm side 120mm back, 200mm top
    Keyboard
    Logik
    Mouse
    Technika TKOPTM2
    Internet Speed
    288 / 4000
    Other Info
    Creative Inspire 7.1 T7900 Speakers
    Trust Graphics Tablet
Try booting into the bios and leaving the computer running.
If it resets whilein the bios it is a hardware fault as there is no software installed.
Try flashing the bios to the latest stage.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    I5 3570K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77-DS3H
    Memory
    4 x 4GB corsair ballistix sport DDR3 1600 Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Geforce GTX 660 TI
    Sound Card
    creative x-fi
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Primary CiBox 22" Widescreen LCD ,Secondary Dell 22" Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    Both 1680 x 1050
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500G HD (SATA) 1 x 2TB USB
    PSU
    Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Complient PSU
    Case
    Antec 900 Ultimate Gaming Case
    Cooling
    3 x 80mm tri led front, 120mm side 120mm back, 200mm top
    Keyboard
    Logik
    Mouse
    Technika TKOPTM2
    Internet Speed
    288 / 4000
    Other Info
    Creative Inspire 7.1 T7900 Speakers
    Trust Graphics Tablet
Yes it is easy for people to say the power supply BUT in most cases it is the problem.

Regardless if the power supply is your problem here you should replace it as it's not
good to run a PSU at close to it's max wattage rating and those calculators are not real accurate.

I can recommend the Corsair HX series CORSAIR VX550W 550W Power Supply CMPSU-550VX Power Supply Retail at ZipZoomfly
I have the 550 and the 620.

You can also look at these sources..

jonnyGURU's Personal Website
Official XS Tiered PSU Manufacturer Brand Listing Phase III - XtremeSystems Forums (get Tier 2 or above)

edit: Does your BIOS have readouts for your power supply rails? What is the 12volt rail reading?
 

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roy69 said:
Try booting into the bios and leaving the computer running.
Click to expand...

I tried that already. It is not shutting down in BIOS nor Safe Mode. At least not within 2 hours.
Unfortunately, there is no one with a computer around here where I live. I just have to go to the nearest town and buy what I need.
 
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Are you getting any blue screens/error codes when it goes?? You can check the reliability monitor (start/search "Reliability Monitor") for a general record of what failed.

But if it's just shutting off and you've verified connections, I'll go with the consensus and point at your PSU. Recommendations?? Stick with a name brand, and buy a good chunk more than you need. PC Power and Cooling make what's generally considered to be the best, but those aren't cheap.

A little old, but: Strong Showing: High-Performance Power Supply Units | Tom's Hardware

A sticky thread from the same site with links to other useful info: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/243648-28-power-supply
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Proudly Built by Me!
    CPU
    Intel Q6600
    Motherboard
    DFI UT LP P35 T2R
    Memory
    8GB OCZ Reaper DDR2 800 C44GK 4-4-4-12 2T
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon 4870x2
    Sound Card
    AuzenTech Prelude 7.1
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 Acer P243 24" and 1 Samsung T260 26" Monitor/HDTV
    Screen Resolution
    Both are running at 19x12
    Hard Drives
    Seagate 1TB 7200.11 (Vista x64)
    Seagate 500GB 7200.11 (Win 7 x64)
    PSU
    OCZ GameXtream 900w
    Other Info
    FSB at 400 (1600) Mhz, CPU Multi @ 8 for 3.2Ghz
get into bios and monitor cpu temps for a while...since you took off the heatsink, im guessing you took off the old thermal paste and put a new coat on it..
 

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I bought this new toshiba and it crashes all of the time, out of the clear blue sky.
I have two other relatives having the same problem.
Seems Microsoft would have enough knowledge to put out an os without all of these issues.
I am selling this toshiba/vista and giving up on microsoft for good.
The commercials are right on the money.
Apple wins hands down
Microsoft can't even produce an operating os these days
Worst mistake toshiba could make was to align themselves with microsoft.
How pathetic!
 

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I think you will find the problem is not the OS but poor 3rd party driver support or hardware, but it's no different from how XP was at one year old.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Windows 11 Workstation
    Manufacturer/Model
    doofenshmirtz evil incorporated
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5950X
    Motherboard
    Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Black 64GB (4x16GB) 3600MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT 16GB ROG Strix LC OC
    Sound Card
    Creative
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 x27" Dell U2724D & 1 x 34" Dell U3415W
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 980 Pro 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State
    Drive
    PSU
    1500W ThermalTake Toughpower
    Case
    ThermalTake Level 10 GT
    Cooling
    Enermax Liqtech 240
    Keyboard
    Surface Ergonomic.
    Mouse
    Logitech Performance MX
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
    Other Info
    WinTV NovaTD
    HP CP1515n Color Laser
    Sony BD-5300S-0B Blu-ray Writer
    Microsoft LifeCam Cinema
    APC 750i Smart UPS
  • Operating System
    windows 10
    Manufacturer/Model
    Surface Pro 3
    CPU
    1.9GHz Intel Core i5-4300U (dual-core, 3MB cache, up to 2.9GHz with Turbo Boost)
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4400
    Monitor(s) Displays
    12" Multi Touch
    Screen Resolution
    2160 x 144
    Hard Drives
    128GB
    Mouse
    Logitech
    Keyboard
    yes
    Internet Speed
    350 Mb/s
I belive toshiba may be at fault. If they have an oem version it is up to them to make it work. If I can do it as a system builder on my own why cant a BIG company?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    I5 3570K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77-DS3H
    Memory
    4 x 4GB corsair ballistix sport DDR3 1600 Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Geforce GTX 660 TI
    Sound Card
    creative x-fi
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Primary CiBox 22" Widescreen LCD ,Secondary Dell 22" Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    Both 1680 x 1050
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500G HD (SATA) 1 x 2TB USB
    PSU
    Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Complient PSU
    Case
    Antec 900 Ultimate Gaming Case
    Cooling
    3 x 80mm tri led front, 120mm side 120mm back, 200mm top
    Keyboard
    Logik
    Mouse
    Technika TKOPTM2
    Internet Speed
    288 / 4000
    Other Info
    Creative Inspire 7.1 T7900 Speakers
    Trust Graphics Tablet
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