4gb RAM BSOD

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tekjoe

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Hello everyone, I have recently upgraded my computer to be running Vista Ultimate x64. I have a reoccurring issue of the dreaded blue screen of death. From the research I have done, I find that many people who also have 4gb of ram installed in their system share my problem. I honestly do not believe that there is any hardware problem, as I have tested my RAM one by one, but will post my mobo and ram information none the less.

Mobo: nForce 680i SE SLI (TR Edition)
Ram: 4gb G. Skill DDR2 800 w/ 5-5-5-15 timing

As directed by several forums, I have reinstalled vista without updating automatically but only installing the hotfix which is suppose to fix the 4gb ram problem. Now, I see the BSOD less frequently but every once in a while I will crash. My main questions are: Can I install the more recent updates from Microsoft without reversing the effects of the hotfix? and Is there any alternative solution to this 4gb problem?

Thanks
 

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Are you running 4 1GB DIMMS?? Electrically, that's a little rougher on your mobo, and some do not do all that well at it: Increasing the voltage to your RAM a notch should help. Sometimes you might need to bump the voltage to your FSB a notch, but not usually.

Are you overclocked at all? If so, know that the Front Side Buss and RAM are usually linked - When you increase the FSB, you are also overclocking your memory.

And yes, you definitely want to install the rest of your updates for Vista.

Also - It's going to be important to capture information about what is failing: Check your Device Manager, and also your Reliability Monitor. These should provide clues to what may be the trouble. If you can capture the error code, that'd be even better.
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
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    CPU
    Intel Q6600
    Motherboard
    DFI UT LP P35 T2R
    Memory
    8GB OCZ Reaper DDR2 800 C44GK 4-4-4-12 2T
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    Sapphire Radeon 4870x2
    Sound Card
    AuzenTech Prelude 7.1
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 Acer P243 24" and 1 Samsung T260 26" Monitor/HDTV
    Screen Resolution
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    Seagate 1TB 7200.11 (Vista x64)
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    Other Info
    FSB at 400 (1600) Mhz, CPU Multi @ 8 for 3.2Ghz
Yes, I am running 4 1gb dimms. The suggested voltage of the RAM is 1.8-2.0v and i believe I am running at 1.85 right now. As for my FSB voltage, I think it is at 1.3v but that is off of memory and I will check when given the opportunity. To your second question, no I am not overclocked. When you talk about getting the information on what went wrong, do you mean the actually code that is displayed on the BSOD or something other than that.

Thanks again
 

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Yah - The actual code would be great - You or I can look that up and hopefully figure out what the problem is. Typr 'Reliability Monitor' in the search box and poke around in there. It keeps a list of errors. That can obviously also be a big help.

Your memory's maker says the stuff is good for 2.0v?? Give it another tenth, then - 1.95 - and see does that help. Leave the FSB alone for the time being.
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
    Proudly Built by Me!
    CPU
    Intel Q6600
    Motherboard
    DFI UT LP P35 T2R
    Memory
    8GB OCZ Reaper DDR2 800 C44GK 4-4-4-12 2T
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon 4870x2
    Sound Card
    AuzenTech Prelude 7.1
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 Acer P243 24" and 1 Samsung T260 26" Monitor/HDTV
    Screen Resolution
    Both are running at 19x12
    Hard Drives
    Seagate 1TB 7200.11 (Vista x64)
    Seagate 500GB 7200.11 (Win 7 x64)
    PSU
    OCZ GameXtream 900w
    Other Info
    FSB at 400 (1600) Mhz, CPU Multi @ 8 for 3.2Ghz
I'm not sure what to look for in the reliability monitor. Ive been looking around and I can't find any files that contain the error information.
 

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KK - Check for Problem Reports - Just type those two words in the search box...

Also the Event Log
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
    Proudly Built by Me!
    CPU
    Intel Q6600
    Motherboard
    DFI UT LP P35 T2R
    Memory
    8GB OCZ Reaper DDR2 800 C44GK 4-4-4-12 2T
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire Radeon 4870x2
    Sound Card
    AuzenTech Prelude 7.1
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 Acer P243 24" and 1 Samsung T260 26" Monitor/HDTV
    Screen Resolution
    Both are running at 19x12
    Hard Drives
    Seagate 1TB 7200.11 (Vista x64)
    Seagate 500GB 7200.11 (Win 7 x64)
    PSU
    OCZ GameXtream 900w
    Other Info
    FSB at 400 (1600) Mhz, CPU Multi @ 8 for 3.2Ghz
Product
Windows

Problem
Shut down unexpectedly

Date
1/5/2008 6:31 PM

Status
Not Reported

Problem signature
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033

Files that help describe the problem (some files may no longer be available)
Mini010508-01.dmp
sysdata.xml
Version.txt

Extra information about the problem
BCCode: a
BCP1: FFFFFFFF894434C1
BCP2: 0000000000000002
BCP3: 0000000000000001
BCP4: FFFFF80001C94614
OS Version: 6_0_6000
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1
 

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tekjoe said:
Hello everyone, I have recently upgraded my computer to be running Vista Ultimate x64. I have a reoccurring issue of the dreaded blue screen of death. From the research I have done, I find that many people who also have 4gb of ram installed in their system share my problem. I honestly do not believe that there is any hardware problem, as I have tested my RAM one by one, but will post my mobo and ram information none the less.

Mobo: nForce 680i SE SLI (TR Edition)
Ram: 4gb G. Skill DDR2 800 w/ 5-5-5-15 timing

As directed by several forums, I have reinstalled vista without updating automatically but only installing the hotfix which is suppose to fix the 4gb ram problem. Now, I see the BSOD less frequently but every once in a while I will crash. My main questions are: Can I install the more recent updates from Microsoft without reversing the effects of the hotfix? and Is there any alternative solution to this 4gb problem?

Thanks
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I have a similar problem. I had to install Vista using 2x512MB Ram, run all windowsupdates, including patch, and then put in my 4x2GB sticks.

Funny thing though : I cannot install Vista ULTIMATE x64 with higher Ram .. doesn't matter what patch I install - I do get a BSOD.

The ONLY way for me to run Ultimate without BSOD, was slipstreaming SP1 into the DVD. I didn't even have the problem with Buisiness x64 - ONLY Ultimate. So I also tried to upgrade from Business to Ultimate - no go .. install SP1, THEN upgrade worked. But Ultimate alone - no way.

And it cannot be any available hostfix at the moment as I even slipstreamed all available hotfixes for Business and Ultimate as I wanted to avoid installing an RC SP.

Conclusion : I think you suffer from somewhat the same problem as I also have a Motherboard with the same chipset (Asus Extreme Striker).

So give maybe SP1 a try ....
 

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djt said:
The only solution to this problem that I have found is by using vLite. The 1.1 RC version of vLite can force the MS update (KB929777) during the install process so that you do not have remove memory.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929777

http://www.vlite.net/
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Well, as I said on several occasions, it didn't even work for me .. Most of the hotfixes included in SP1 (80% for a fact) aren't even available for public. So even slipstreaming this hotfix and all other available hotfixes does not fix it ..

Until now, I don't know why Ultimate, and Ultimate only, bluescreens ..
 

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I would go with Scotteq's fix for this. Bump you mem voltage to max for the stix and you problem should go away.
 

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    qx6700
    Motherboard
    intel badaxe2
    Memory
    6 Gig Corsair ddr2 800
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia 9600GT 512
    Sound Card
    OB
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    BenQ24 Princeton19
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200 1280X1024
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    Rosewill 950
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    MS Natural Ergonomic 6000
    Mouse
    Kensington Expert
    Internet Speed
    DSL
Well, as I said on several occasions, it didn't even work for me
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Until now, I don't know why Ultimate, and Ultimate only, bluescreens ..
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Your problem is starting to sound like a memory issue.

The blue I was getting (Vista Ultimate 64) would not let me get past the installation phase. I could not even get Windows installed with 4 GB of RAM to even get KB929777 installed.

With vLite, KB929777 is forced during the installation so I no longer have to uninstall 2 GB to avoid the blue screen.

The weird thing is I have no problems installing Vista Ultimate 32 Bit with 4 GB of RAM.
 

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Thanks for the feed back everyone. It seems for me, unlike some of you, my installation was/is fine. The only problem is that when the 4th gig is installed now I get the BSOD. I will up the voltages and see what happens from there.
 

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tek,
Just got my account activated. If you haven't installed the hotfix you will not be able to boot into vista with 4G of RAM. Here are the hotfix installation steps, and should you have the hotfix and are seeing stability issues are some steps to cycle through that I think can bring stability.

First, remove 2G of RAM, boot into vista and install the KB929777 hotfix. Reboot into vista and check that the update was successfully installed.

Now power down, install the additional 2G of RAM and you should be able to boot into vista withou a BSOD. However, you will probably get BSODs as you use your system since you still need to optimize you RAM voltage, clock, and timings, and your northbridge voltage.

Reboot into your bios. Increase your northbridge voltage by 0.05v. Set you Vdimm at the max the mfg'er specs for your RAM. Set you RAM clock as spec'd for your RAM. Now set your timings (first 4 settings). Set them as spec'd by the mfg'er IF you bought a single 4x1G RAM kit. If you bought it in any other config then set them +1 from where the mfg'ers specs your RAM (reason is RAM is spec'd for the kit, and if you have more than one kit then you most likely can't run them at the one kit spec). Leave the other timings set to "auto".

Now you should be stable and can test with memtest to confirm. If all tests stable then you can ease off the Vdimm, or try easing off the timings (change only one at a time). Test for stability after each adjustment.

This should get you in business.
 

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I have 4gb of ram and Vista x64..i dont have this problem at all. I had no idea this was an issue until started reading it on forums AFTER i installed Vista x64.

What causes this to happen to others and not me? I install the hotfix but it come later with windows update.
 

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Alright, I will try to mess with voltages and all that stuff in the BIOS because I already have installed the patch and that only leaves me with the voltage specific fixes to try out.

Thanks again.
 

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The BlueScreen I believe your getting is 0x0000000A.
Follow this guide available here John Barnett's Windows Vista Support: Disable Automatic Restart To Read Blue Screen Messages and write the code down.

The error that generates this bug check usually occurs after the installation of a faulty device driver, system service, BIOS, a virus scanner or a backup tool that is incompatible with the new version.

-Check the System Log in Event Viewer for error messages that might identify the device or driver that caused the error.
-Try disabling memory caching of the BIOS.
-Run the hardware diagnostics supplied by the system manufacturer, especially the memory scanner. For details on these procedures, see the owner's manual for your computer.
-If your system has SCSI adapters, contact the adapter manufacturer to obtain updated Windows drivers.
-Try disabling sync negotiation in the SCSI BIOS, checking the cabling and the SCSI IDs of each device, and confirming proper termination.
-For integrated device electronics (IDE) devices, define the onboard IDE port as Primary only. Also, check each IDE device for the proper master/subordinate/stand-alone setting.

Its the only advice I can give based on the error code but it might not be acurate without all the data from the BlueScreen.
 

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sorry if some1 already mentioned this..but take out your ram...and make sure its in the slot completely...and check if theres something blocking the contact with the ram

also try a chkdsk in the cmd prompt..

also sfc /scannow

again im sorry if ppl already mentioned this
 

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jeremym said:
I have 4gb of ram and Vista x64..i dont have this problem at all. I had no idea this was an issue until started reading it on forums AFTER i installed Vista x64.

What causes this to happen to others and not me? I install the hotfix but it come later with windows update.
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I've no idea why you weren't affected by the 4G RAM issue.
 

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