Why So Many Negatives On Vista ?

Jillian

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You know . In reading these tech sites and other tech related sites. I have found soooo many people who hate Vista. They have all kinds of problems with it.

I just want to say that I have Vista Home Premium and have never had a problem with any hardware or software , and no compatibility problems. So I have a real problem trying to understand why all these people have had such problems with Vista.

Maybe there have been some issues at first , but really , I don't think people have given Vista a real chance. They wanted another OS very much like XP which they knew well and they were so familiar with.

Maybe you all will disagree with this , but I for one am pleased with Vista. I am one of the "Few" , it seems , who have not had these terrible problems with it.

Maybe they will be happy with Windows 7. I may try it too , if it is light. To me , the real negative on Vista is BLOAT. JMHO
 

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Most people's gripes are about the UAC. The constant prompts for simplistic tasks.
then the user permissions and disappearing downloaded files. I personally have no qualms about theses things. As a matter of fact, I feel like my system is a lot more safer in Vista than any other OS I've used.
 

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It's just a resource hog. I can understand that from a beginner/average user, but advance user should know how to make their computer run more efficiently.
 

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When people are unhappy, they tend to be much more vocal.

That's why we're likely to hear much more negative comments than positive ones.

When everything is going well, people who are content will not come and sign up with a forum and gripe.
 

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The funny thing is all the Vista haters thought it was the greatest O/S ever when they thought it was the new, soon-to-released Microsoft O/S codenamed "mojave".

The Mojave Experiment
 
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Yeah those commercials were funny, but I would have known it was Vista :D

I LOVE windows 7 so far, I can't wait till it comes out. I had no problems when I first installed Vista, and since I haven't had a problem I couldn't eventually fix.

The only reason I was reluctant at first was because of all the compatibility issues. And i didnt like how Microsoft FORCED you to get it.

~Lordbob
 

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I never upgrade to a new OS until other guinea pigs have volunteered to be experimented upon. This is especially true with Microsoft products.

When I finally upgraded to Vista a year after it was released, I have had no issue with it at all.

I bet if Vista were released in 2009, there would be a lot less "haters" out there for it.
 

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I think what really happened was Microsofts own fault. They release Vista before it was ready, and then forced it on people. I didn't switch over for a year, and if they actually let people do that, then it would have been much more accepted even with the 'forced" use

~Lordbob
 

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When vista was first released alot of problems was driver issues, is this microsofts fault?
Another problem was experianced users:sarc: installing the OS on a machine that could not handle it making it crawl like a slug. Was this microsofts fault?
When vista was first bought out it did have alot of bugs which Microsoft should have sorted before release, however bugs are always going to appear in any program with 1000`s of lines of code.
Another problem is user who try to run software on the OS that is very old or designed for a lower OS. When the programs were designed Vista did not even exist so the programs were not ment for vista. I know Microsost made a bit of a mistake in releasing Vista so early but not all of the problems are thier fault.
 

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Another problem is user who try to run software on the OS that is very old or designed for a lower OS. When the programs were designed Vista did not even exist so the programs were not ment for vista. I know Microsost made a bit of a mistake in releasing Vista so early but not all of the problems are thier fault.

This was one of the problems I had, I tried installing the original Command and Conquer (a bit of retro gaming - re-living childhood if you get what I mean!:)) and Vista didn't like it one bit...

Plus the UAC is really, really, really annoying.

Other than that its been fine!

Andy, a noob compared to everyone on these forums.
 

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Most people who say "Vista is bad, XP is the best" are forgetting how bad XP was at release as well.
 

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Ive run Vista since beta 2 and never had a smajor issue with it that wasn't easily remedied. I am right there with you Jillian, I think most errors are PEBKAC errors.(Problem exist between keyboard and chair)
 

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This is coming from a Non-PC guru's point of view so, take it with a grain of salt and not a face value.

When vista was first released alot of problems was driver issues, is this microsofts fault?
I do believe so, you (M$) are forcing me to purchase a Computer with your OS on it full knowing that is is not ready or compatible with everything else, regardless if you gave ample time to others to make new drivers, etc, for it.

Another problem was experianced users:sarc: installing the OS on a machine that could not handle it making it crawl like a slug. Was this microsofts fault?
Not if you were experienced but if you we're not experienced and your Retailer jammed it up your throat?

When vista was first bought out it did have alot of bugs which Microsoft should have sorted before release, however bugs are always going to appear in any program with 1000`s of lines of code.
This is also true but they needed to come out with a smoother (read: minimum bugs) OS, more so if their market was non-PC or Inexperienced people (the average consumer).

Another problem is user who try to run software on the OS that is very old or designed for a lower OS.
+1 on this one, we all have done at one point or another and we are just to quick to blame the OS instead of blaming us.

When the programs were designed Vista did not even exist so the programs were not ment for vista. I know Microsost made a bit of a mistake in releasing Vista so early but not all of the problems are thier fault.
Also true but my only gripe with all this is that who suffered the most was/is the average user/consumer, the one who barely understand what a computer is but needs it for their kids for homework, etc, and was forced to buy a desktop or laptop with 512mb of Ram and Vista as the primary OS... how can you fault that user?

Another gripe I have is Look & Feel, We all hate changes but more so when those changes are extreme, coming from XP and having to take 2 to 3 years to finally feel comfortable with it, we get a totally new OS that looks & feels different. I understand some of those changes but do they need it to make it for the whole OS? I guess the saying "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" does not need to apply here. :D

Another Issue based purely on Hearsay was all the DRM issues at the beginning, now I understand is based on the UAC... I guess you can't trust the internet all that much! ;)

Honestly though, I have had Vista for a few months now and I am slowly but surely beginning to feel comfortable with it but, I still feel that on some things, I can do them quicker on XP than on Vista and if I need to come here to learn the easy way or waste 30 minutes looking at the help option, I have wasted my time.

All in all, I think that Microsoft made Vista for the Experienced consumer and not so much for the Inexperienced. Now I hear that this new OS will be more compatible with XP Look & Feel but I also read that XP users will have the most troubles adapting to it once is out and Vista users will find it compatible... baffled again! :(
 

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A company should never blame the user for not having fast enough hardware or having the technical skills to learn a new OS interface.

It's like a doctor blaming the patient for having cancer.

When Microsoft design a brand new OS, they should keep in mind the hardware of an average user, not the typical geek/hardware guru that builds his/her own computer from scratch.

Windows 7 is what Vista should have been. Microsoft is basically selling an SP2 for Vista as a stand alone, brand new OS. It's smart business practice on their part.

Not only can they charge money for licensing Windows 7 (where as a SP release would be a free download), but they get a chance to dissociate the bad memory of Vista from the consumers. It's a "Win-Win" situation for Microsoft.

Too bad that we have to pay for something that we should already have with Vista.
 

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A company should never blame the user for not having fast enough hardware or having the technical skills to learn a new OS interface.

It's like a doctor blaming the patient for having cancer.

So by that reasoning, the doctor is to blame for the patient having cancer?

When Microsoft releases a new OS, they post well in advance the minimum and recommended specs for a computer that will run that OS properly. It is the system vendors responsibility to provide machines that meet or exceed those requirements, and it is their responsibility also to inform potential buyers of the pitfalls of buying a machine that is not adequate.

This is where Vista got it's bad reputation. Not from anything Microsoft did wrong, but from the system builders flogging off XP-era machines with Vista on them to unsuspecting buyers, or from device manufactuers dragging their feet in providing Vista-certified drivers for their products.

But no, it's never the hardware suppliers fault. It's always Microsoft. Never the user. Always Microsoft.

I'm not saying Microsoft is 100% blameless in this "Vista is rubbish" argument, because Vista IS a wonderfully powerfull, stable and secure operating system. But the bulk of the blame for Vista's bad rep shoud go to third-party hardware manufacturers.

The "lets-forever-and-always-blame-Microsoft-for-anything-and-everything-that-goes-wrong" diatribe is getting boring. People are spending too much time complaining and too little time adapting to an evolving operating system.
 

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This is coming from a Non-PC guru's point of view so, take it with a grain of salt and not a face value.

If you say so...

When vista was first released alot of problems was driver issues, is this microsofts fault?
I do believe so, you (M$) are forcing me to purchase a Computer with your OS on it full knowing that is is not ready or compatible with everything else, regardless if you gave ample time to others to make new drivers, etc, for it.

Microsoft sells Operating Systems and other software titles, like Office.

Companies like Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba, Mecer, Acer, eMachines, etc, they sell hardware. They are the ones providing the inadquate (in some cases) hardware with Vista. So then is Microsoft to blame if the system builder ignores Microsoft guidelines and minimum system requirements for Vista?

Another problem was experianced users:sarc: installing the OS on a machine that could not handle it making it crawl like a slug. Was this microsofts fault?
Not if you were experienced but if you we're not experienced and your Retailer jammed it up your throat?

This is also true but they needed to come out with a smoother (read: minimum bugs) OS, more so if their market was non-PC or Inexperienced people (the average consumer).

If you claim to be experienced, and you allowed a retailer to sell you a low-end machine that does not meet the Vista minimum requirements, then I'd say that a) The retailer is a rip-off looking to make a quick buck, and b) You are not so experienced as you claim to be.

Another problem is user who try to run software on the OS that is very old or designed for a lower OS.
+1 on this one, we all have done at one point or another and we are just to quick to blame the OS instead of blaming us.

I agree. In all honesty, I have some software that is pushing 14 years since initial release, and it works fine on Vista x64 Ultimate. Some don't. But that is also hardly Microsofts fault?

When the programs were designed Vista did not even exist so the programs were not ment for vista. I know Microsost made a bit of a mistake in releasing Vista so early but not all of the problems are thier fault.
Also true but my only gripe with all this is that who suffered the most was/is the average user/consumer, the one who barely understand what a computer is but needs it for their kids for homework, etc, and was forced to buy a desktop or laptop with 512mb of Ram and Vista as the primary OS... how can you fault that user?

True, you cannot fault the user in this particular case, but neither can you blame Microsoft.

It is the responsibility of the retailer to inform potential buyers of all pertinent information regarding their purchase, and to answer any question they may have.

Unfortunately, too many retailers take advantage of inexperienced users and sell them a bunch of inadequate rubbish. They do this in the hopes of forcing the user to come back later for an upgrade.

When I sell someone a computer, or build one from scratch (which happens often seeing as I try to avoid factory built computers), I ask myself "Will I be prepared to use this computer myself?".

Another gripe I have is Look & Feel, We all hate changes but more so when those changes are extreme, coming from XP and having to take 2 to 3 years to finally feel comfortable with it, we get a totally new OS that looks & feels different. I understand some of those changes but do they need it to make it for the whole OS? I guess the saying "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" does not need to apply here. :D

You sound like someone who went to a restaurant and order a rare steak. When your order arrives, you complain that it is not cooked enough...

For years, people where asking Microsoft to make Windows more secure and more malware resistant, and to protect the OS itself from improper user changes. The answer to that is User Account Control (UAC).

And what did too many people do when they finally got Vista? The moaned that UAC is too intrusive.

SO DEAL WITH IT!

Another Issue based purely on Hearsay was all the DRM issues at the beginning, now I understand is based on the UAC... I guess you can't trust the internet all that much! ;)

Defintely hearsay. I've been using Vista for two years now (excluding the months I was BETA testing), and I've never run into any DRM issues...

Honestly though, I have had Vista for a few months now and I am slowly but surely beginning to feel comfortable with it but, I still feel that on some things, I can do them quicker on XP than on Vista and if I need to come here to learn the easy way or waste 30 minutes looking at the help option, I have wasted my time.

Please explain what these things are, because when I work on XP machines (which happens far too often for my taste), I feel lost, and have to think a bit or wait for XP before I can proceed.

For example: Search.

On XP, when searching for a file, you where limited to a few properties, such as filename, filesize and date, and searching your entire computer took ages.

On Vista, you can search for files using literally hundreds of different properties, and searching is not limited to only the file system, but includes your internet history and email inbox. And never mind the fact that results are returned at blistering speed!

So please explain to me how Vista is less productive than XP?

All in all, I think that Microsoft made Vista for the Experienced consumer and not so much for the Inexperienced. Now I hear that this new OS will be more compatible with XP Look & Feel but I also read that XP users will have the most troubles adapting to it once is out and Vista users will find it compatible... baffled again! :(

Whoever told you that Windows 7 is going to be closer to the XP look and feel doesn't know what he/she is talking about. The switchover (from a users perspective) from XP to Windows 7 is going to be even harder than the change from XP to Vista ever was.

I can almost hear it now: "Windows 7 is crap. Microsoft should have stayed with Vista..."
 

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I can almost hear it now: "Windows 7 is crap. Microsoft should have stayed with Vista..."
I know I won't say that...

But I had a brainwave earlier today discussing Office 03/07. We all thought that (this holds true for OS as well) that they could have done the whole ribbon bar thing (Which i HATE) but also left the older version in there, so you could use it if you so chose. I know thats a lot of work for them, but it would keep up retro-ish people happy, and would have kept the people that liked the XP look happy, and reduced gripe about Vista.

~Lordbob
 

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Well I've only been using Vista since July last year but so far have had no problems and I've not had any problems with any of my old software, it's installed and working as it should. I have an old printer that works without any trouble and the thing that I did worry about was my Internet connection.

My router is the same one that was installed when I first went to ADSL over 4 years ago, I took the cable out of the XP machine it was in and put it into the Vista machine and I was connecting without a hitch.

I know when it first came out it would need a more powerful machine than my XP was, even though that was no slouch but it only had an 80 GB hard drive and a 256 stick and 512 stick of RAM so there was no way I was going to try and install it on that machine.

I waited until we needed a new machine and went for one that was actually made to run Vista plus getting it in a way that I could afford it pay for it.
In some ways I regret getting one that doesn't have an actual graphics card but has onboard instead but when choosing I went for the 2 GB of RAM and onboard rather than separate card and 1 GB of RAM. I can install a card later if I need to but so far I don't seem to be missing out, although I wish it was Ultimate instead of Home Premium I could have had the Complete PC backup then :huh:

I have no problems with the UAC in fact I like the added security built into the system and as that was one of the things everyone was shouting about wanting in their systems I can't see why they are complaining.

Think I've rambled on for long enough now so from this average user, well silver surfer actually, I'll go and see what else is going on :p
 

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