RAM/Motherboard question?

JWhipple

Member
Ok this is going to come across as a really ignorant question... please hear me out!

I've got an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ system based on an MSI K8N SLI mainboard.

The board is currently running w/ 2GB (2x1GB) of Corsair DDR 3200, and I have been considering moving it up to 4GB as I am running Vista 64.

What concerns me is what I read about this board on the MSI product page, and honestly, I'm not really sure what this would mean to me!

The product page can be seen here: MSI Computer Corp. - Product

And the verbage that has me wondering, "What does this mean to me?" is below. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated before I shell out any cash on more memory! If I am reading it right, it will only utilize 3GB when 4GB is installed?

Due to the South Bridge resource deployment, the system density will only be detected up to 3+ GB (not full 4GB) when each DIMM is installed with an 1GB memory module

Thanks in advance!
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    AMD Athlon 64x2 3800+ (Socket 939)
    Motherboard
    MSI K8N SLI
    Memory
    2GB Corsair DDR in dual channel mode
    Graphics Card(s)
    2x BFG Geforce 7600GT in SLI mode
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster Audigy 2
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Big ol' 21 inch Gateway LCD monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    160GB SATA1 (Western Digital)
    500GB USB External (Western Digital)
    PSU
    600 Watt BFG
    Keyboard
    Logitech G15
    Mouse
    Logitech G7
The way I read this is, if you place a 1 gig stick in each slot(4 slots correct?), the board will only read 3 of those 4 gigs in total. If that is the case then you would want two 2 gig sticks of memory only using 2 slots? Pay attention to the slot colors and combinations you install the sticks per the documents on the board.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Cyberpower
    CPU
    AMD Phenom X4 9850
    Motherboard
    MSI K9N SLI V2
    Memory
    8 GIG DDR 800
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 9800 GT 512mb
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SyncMaster 220wm
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    Hitachi something or other 500 gigs
    PSU
    650 watts
This is what it means:


The motherboard supports a max of 4GB. That means any peripheral devices/dedicated Video card memory will be subtracted from that max 4GB ram.

It is the same for me. I have 4GB installed, but since my MoBo can support no more than 4GB (4GB plus 256MB video memory would excees the board's limits), which cannot happen.

So 4Gb minus perpheral device and GPU leaves me with 3325MB (or 3.25GB) of usable/addressable ram. I am still using all 4GB, but that allocated memory for the card, etc, is not overwritable, and therefore not usable by Vista.

To use the full 4GB of RAM a MoBo must support 8GB or more.


For Windows Vista to use all 4 GB of memory on a computer that has 4 GB of memory installed, the computer must meet the following requirements:
  • The chipset must support at least 8 GB of address space. Chipsets that have this capability include the following:
    • Intel 975X
    • Intel P965
    • Intel 955X on Socket 775
    • Chipsets that support AMD processors that use socket F, socket 940, socket 939, or socket AM2. These chipsets include any AMD socket and CPU combination in which the memory controller resides in the CPU.
  • The CPU must support the x64 instruction set. The AMD64 CPU and the Intel EM64T CPU support this instruction set.
  • The BIOS must support the memory remapping feature. The memory remapping feature allows for the segment of system memory that was previously overwritten by the Peripheral Component Interconnect (PCI) configuration space to be remapped above the 4 GB address line. This feature must be enabled in the BIOS configuration utility on the computer. View your computer product documentation for instructions that explain how to enable this feature. Many consumer-oriented computers may not support the memory remapping feature. No standard terminology is used in documentation or in BIOS configuration utilities for this feature. Therefore, you may have to read the descriptions of the various BIOS configuration settings that are available to determine whether any of the settings enable the memory remapping feature.
  • An x64 (64-bit) version of Windows Vista must be used.
Source:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    T7600G Core2Duo 2.66 Ghz
    Motherboard
    Intel 945PM + ICH7 Chipset
    Memory
    4GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobility Radeon x1900 256MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    WUXGA 17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200
    Hard Drives
    640GB 7200RPM SATA/RAID 0 (2x320GB)
    and 320GB 7200RPM External
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft 3000
    Internet Speed
    10 mbps/2 mbps
    Other Info
    Optical Drive:
    Panasonic UJ-220 DL BD-RE (Blu-Ray)
What avgwarhawk and rive0108 say is right. If you install 4gig of ram youll really only have 3 gigs available as that board uses 1 gig for hardware.

My advise to you is save your money and not buy additional ram for that board. Look at getting a new motherboard with at least 800mhz ram.
 

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The bear of it all is that if I buy a new MB that I have to go the route of a new CPU as well..

LOL I guess it's time to start pinching pennies and consider a REAL upgrade!
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    AMD Athlon 64x2 3800+ (Socket 939)
    Motherboard
    MSI K8N SLI
    Memory
    2GB Corsair DDR in dual channel mode
    Graphics Card(s)
    2x BFG Geforce 7600GT in SLI mode
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster Audigy 2
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Big ol' 21 inch Gateway LCD monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    160GB SATA1 (Western Digital)
    500GB USB External (Western Digital)
    PSU
    600 Watt BFG
    Keyboard
    Logitech G15
    Mouse
    Logitech G7
The bear of it all is that if I buy a new MB that I have to go the route of a new CPU as well..

LOL I guess it's time to start pinching pennies and consider a REAL upgrade!

Either that or just install the 4GB. You will have 3.25GB of usable memory. I do it, its not that big of a deal (although if you are running dual GPU's with at minumum 256MB dedicated each, you will only have 3GB usable.) So just buy a 2GB, and 1GB stick.
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    T7600G Core2Duo 2.66 Ghz
    Motherboard
    Intel 945PM + ICH7 Chipset
    Memory
    4GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobility Radeon x1900 256MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    WUXGA 17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200
    Hard Drives
    640GB 7200RPM SATA/RAID 0 (2x320GB)
    and 320GB 7200RPM External
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft 3000
    Internet Speed
    10 mbps/2 mbps
    Other Info
    Optical Drive:
    Panasonic UJ-220 DL BD-RE (Blu-Ray)
That's the case - 2 video cards with 256MB each...
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    AMD Athlon 64x2 3800+ (Socket 939)
    Motherboard
    MSI K8N SLI
    Memory
    2GB Corsair DDR in dual channel mode
    Graphics Card(s)
    2x BFG Geforce 7600GT in SLI mode
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster Audigy 2
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Big ol' 21 inch Gateway LCD monitor
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    160GB SATA1 (Western Digital)
    500GB USB External (Western Digital)
    PSU
    600 Watt BFG
    Keyboard
    Logitech G15
    Mouse
    Logitech G7
That's the case - 2 video cards with 256MB each...
there you go then Just get 1x2GB/1x1GB sticks. 3gb will make Vista much more responsive than 2GB. Any thing more is just wasted RAM. (although if it is cheaper to buy 2x2GB I would definitely do it.)

I got my 2x2GB sticks dual channel memory for less than $100 off Newegg.com
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    T7600G Core2Duo 2.66 Ghz
    Motherboard
    Intel 945PM + ICH7 Chipset
    Memory
    4GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Mobility Radeon x1900 256MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    WUXGA 17"
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200
    Hard Drives
    640GB 7200RPM SATA/RAID 0 (2x320GB)
    and 320GB 7200RPM External
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft 3000
    Internet Speed
    10 mbps/2 mbps
    Other Info
    Optical Drive:
    Panasonic UJ-220 DL BD-RE (Blu-Ray)
It depends on how cheap you could get more ram and if your happy enough with your system performance.

Id consider saving your pennies and just run that pc till you can stand it no longer :D and then upgrade.
 

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rive0108 has a good plan for you if money is tight. However, hardware is very inexpensive these days. Might take a look around and see what you can put together.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Cyberpower
    CPU
    AMD Phenom X4 9850
    Motherboard
    MSI K9N SLI V2
    Memory
    8 GIG DDR 800
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 9800 GT 512mb
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SyncMaster 220wm
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    Hitachi something or other 500 gigs
    PSU
    650 watts
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