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    Noob question!

    Ok when it comes to the deep specs on a video card, i'm a noob. Otherwise i'm an advanced computer user, so i'm asking this out of an abundance of caution. I'm going to upgrade my system from the onboard graphics to a dedicated card...my system is running Vista Ultimate 32bit and here is my question: in the card specs i'm looking at i see this:

    Memory Interface64-bit

    Here's the noob part: does this have anything whatsoever to do with 32 or 64 bit distinction on OSs? would this be a problem for a 32 bit Ultimate set up? This is the card that has a good deal on Newegg (don't worry, i'm not a serious gamer anymore, maybe a little Command and Conquer, but thats it!)...what do you think?

    Model
    Brand PNY ModelVCG8400SXPB
    Form FactorLow Profile

    Interface
    Interface PCI Express x16

    Chipset
    Chipset ManufacturerNVIDIA GPUGeForce 8400GS
    Core clock 450MHz

    Memory
    Memory Clock 800MHz
    Memory Size 256MB
    Memory Interface 64-bit
    Memory Type GDDR2 3D

    API
    DirectX DirectX 10
    OpenGL OpenGL 2.0

    Ports
    D-SUB1
    DVI1
    TV-OutHDTV / S-Video Out
    VIVONo

    General
    TunerNone
    RAMDAC400 MHz
    Max Resolution2048 x 1536
    CoolerWith Fan
    HDCP ReadyYes

    Features
    FeaturesNVIDIA unified architecture with GigaThread technology
    NVIDIA Quantum Effects physics processing technology
    NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology

    Packaging
    Package Contents
    VCG8400SXPB
    Driver Disk
    User Manual
    HDTV Cable
    S-Video Cable
    DVI to VGA/D-sub Adapter
    L-P Bracket

    Its only $32 afer rebate so i figure it couldn't hurt....

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    Re: Noob question!

    The card will work just fine for you. Don't worry about that distinction.

    I believe it has to do with how the card's GPU sends information to the graphics memory. It can use 64-bit strings, rather than 32-bit. It ends up being a similar distinction, but there's no issue. Just like a 64-bit processor can run a 32-bit OS, 64-bit stings can handle 32-bit.

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    Re: Noob question!

    Thanks for confirming my thoughts on that FightingScallion. Would you say that those specs are common for that price point? I know i'm getting a lower-end card but i also don't want to buy a peice of junk either.

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    Re: Noob question!

    For $32, it's not bad at all. You'll be able to run your Command and Conquer, and be able to take advantage of Aeroglass. Plenty of memory, reasonable clock speed for the price. You'll be fine, probably.

    For gaming, though, you might be limited on your resolutions. There's a good chance that you won't be playing above 800 x 600 if you go above low settings, if you want decent framerates. Command and Conquer shouldn't be overly graphics intensive (especially if you're playing an old one), so you might be okay. Expect that you won't be able to use AA or Anisotropic Filtering.

    I'm not sure you need to go with a DX10 card, though. A DX9 might do it for you. In that case, take a look at this: Newegg.com - POWERCOLOR X1550 256/64DDR2 Radeon X1550 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail. $29 with shipping. Higher clock speed, same bit throughput.

    If you want to go a little more money: Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100195L Radeon X1650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail. $40 with shipping. Much better card. Still DX9, but the 1650s are way better than the 1550s and are still considered pretty good for low-end cards. 512MB RAM, 128-bit interface. This'll guarantee you can play with respectable settings. The last one there is also a Sapphire. Brand name matters in cards, and that's one of the best for ATI cards.

    If you really want DX10, maybe look at this: Newegg.com - POWERCOLOR 24PRO 256M DDR2 Radeon HD 2400PRO 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail. $33, but better clock than the 8400GS you mention. I'm no expert on low end cards, but by the numbers, it's worth the extra dollar.

    I tend to prefer ATI, especially on the lower end, as they seem to be willing to eek out just a bit more capability and support is better (read drivers). Oddly, you always get a little more bang for your buck (I had a 9550 that in the end had capabilities that it wasn't advertised as having).

    If you'd like a bit more guidance on stuff like this, post again. Of the cards, the 1650 is probably your best bet for being happy with what you see in game, but doesn't have DX10. If you want DX10, you'll have to look around and read the reviews of each.

    Hope this helps and doesn't cause more confusion.

    (Note that the 128-bit cards will inherently be faster than the 64-bit ones, and they will work just fine with your 32-bit OS. People are running 256-bit cards on 32-bit OSes)

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    Re: Noob question!

    Much appreciated!! Not confusing at all....more like a free education!

    I'm going to go with that Saphire 1650 you showed me...i completely missed that becuase i thought the 512MB would be outside of what i consider "worth it" for my needs. I do have last year's latest CaC game (been playing them since the beginning) but i don't care if i can't run it at full throtle.

    Now one last question if you don't mind: if i don't get DX10 what would i be missing? Would it just affect next-gen gaming or...? Is a DX9 card not upgradeable or is DX10 more of a hardware function?

    Thanks again!!

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    Re: Noob question!

    Well, here's a decent comparison: DirectX® 10

    Mostly, you're looking at some stuff to really enhance high-end gaming. From what I've seen in Bioshock and Crysis, the real difference is in water (if you pump the graphics, it can look amazing). Some will probably disagree. But, the thing is, no low end card is going to be able to cover a lot of that stuff anyway. As with DX9, there will be some residual effects for normal users. But, keep in mind, all of DX9.0c still isn't being taken advantage of.

    But, as you suspect, DX10 requires hardware support. A DX9 card can't give the benefits of DX10. A DX10 card can't give the benefits of DX10.1. But, in most cases, you won't lose anything. Few pieces of software have gotten rid of DX9 support. You should be fine for a long time to come. Wait until DX10.1 cards get reasonably priced (there are a few out there from ATI HD 3xxx series, but still cost more than the 1650). You should be fine for quite awhile. And when you upgrade, at least you won't have spent too much on your previous card.

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    Re: Noob question!

    Makes sense. Thanks for all of the info and insight!

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    Re: Noob question!

    Any time. Please, let us know if you have any problems with your new card when you get it. Or, for that matter, any other type of problem.

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