Going from NVidia to AMD card....

MoreGooder

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In the not to distant future, I plan to change my 8800 GTS 640 card to an AMD 4800 series card. I'm currently running Vista 64.

I'm concerned that I'll run into a whole host of problems and will end up just reformatting my C drive and starting with a fresh install of V64 with the new card already installed.

Can anyone share their experience? I'm sure someone has successfully made the N to A transition.

Any advice would be appreciated!
MoreGooder
 

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I dont know why you would want to go from nvidia to ati however it would be simple as anything else. Remove the nvidia drivers, remove the video card, install the ati card and install the ati drivers.
 

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whats ur system specs.. just so we know what you have.. do you have an AMD or Nvidia SLI ready Motherboard.

Why not just get a GTX260.. ?
 

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whats ur system specs.. just so we know what you have.. do you have an AMD or Nvidia SLI ready Motherboard.

Why not just get a GTX260.. ?

I've been considering a watercooled 260 or 280 actually. But, they're just so darn pricey. I've been reading great things about the 4800 series from AMD.

I won't be able to upgrade until sometime in November anyway. Perhaps the nvidia die shrink for the 200 series will be done by then. That would be enough to keep me on the green team.
 

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Honestly, I'd rather pay $299 for the card now (it may be a bit more as I don't look for Water cooled) than spend more for the increased power consumption on the HD 48xx series.

Besides, it is almost a written rule that the performance of nVidia cards increases over time with newer and better drivers.

I have an 8800 GTS but since mine is the G92 GPU based card, I was, with a bit of hacking and a lot of help from fellow Guru Skunksmash, able to get the nVidia PhysX software running in conjunction with newer drivers that make full use of the PhysX software - and though my 'benchmark' from 3D Mark doesn't show it, I have a *massive* increase in graphics due to the PhysX engine now running and the new driver.
 

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I'll back you up MoreGooder. The HD 4000s look amazing. And dollar-for-performance, they are very competitive.

My big warning is this: Everyone I know who has done it has had trouble getting rid of nVidia drivers. Installing the ATI drivers is pretty easy (and upgrading them is insanely easy).

Good luck.
 

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Getting rid of he nVidia drivers is easy - Guru3D - Driver Sweeper

And, again, yes, it is cheaper in the short term - but look hard and carefully at the long term - will an average of 30W draw *more* pay off the difference in the prices between the cards? Will the less clockability of the cards be a factor in the longer run?
 

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I just had the choice to go with the 4780 or the 260.. I got my card like 3 days ago.. I had a very hard time choosing.. and I put multiple threads here and in other places for peoples opinions. I got a lot of mixed reviews from everyone, I think I read every single review for the 4000 series vs the 200 series I could find online.. and then some. it was a hard choice..and to be honest.. the 4870 was almost what I got, but I looked at it this way, I already have Nvidia on my system, thats only a smalllll part. The cards IMHO are basically neck and neck, ya the 4870 wins a lot of reviews, same does the 260. They are even, they both trade off with how many wins, and in what situation. and now with the 260 bein the SAME price.. it makes it just slightly a better choice IMO. Here's what did it for me, I already have Nvidia on system, Nvidia has better company's carryin the cards. the only company on ATI with lifetime warranty.. the only one is Visiontek.. On Nvidia XFX has a double lifetime, BFG has lifetime, and overnight next day card replacement guarantee (and they hold to it). and then eVGA. they have lifetime warranty, and even better. is eVGA has the 90 day step up program. all you do is pay the difference on a new card.. you might as well get the 260 now. and then you can upgrade to the better 55nm cards when they come out. These details here are what Won me over to the green side, not to mention that XFX, BFG, and eVGA all 3 recommend adding 3rd party coolers for better performance and they agree with overclocking. so if you change the cooler, take apart and add different thermal paste, or OC and burn it up. those 3 brands will cover ya.. they are for the real enthusiasts. ATI is more for business (don't be offeneded anyone with an ATI card). so these all together make it a pretty easy choice, plus the cards cost the same now. so I got the eVGA 260. and depending on price and performance I'm going to use my 90 day step up here in 1 month when the new 55nm GTX 200 cards drop..

Sorry this was so long, but I had to get the facts in there.. Question more gooder (good name). What size is your monitor(s).??

oh and as John or whoever said, Nvidia's drivers slowly improve performance. ATI just have drivers.. Nvidia makes improvements.. and Nvidia cards can and usually always OC better. for the exception of a few..
 

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Thanks for all of the excellent posts, gents.

I've done a bit more searching and really haven't found very many nightmare stories regarding ditching gfx manufacturer X and moving to gfx manufacturer Y on Vista 64. I suppose it's just like anything else you attempt to do on a Windows machine. You make restore point, go thru the official and unofficial driver removal tools (aka driver cleaner for instance), install the new stuff and hope for the best.

At the very worst I'll have to reinstall Vista and all of my games and software, but that is something I like to do periodically anyway. The difference being in this situation, though, is that a forced reinstall of Vista would probably not be something I'd appreciate nor want, especially considering my Vista64 installation is working absolutely flawlessly.

So far, though, I'm leaning on staying with the green team because of the better selection of water cooling blocks for the 200 series compared to the 4800 series. 55nm down the road is also very appealing to me.

Once again, thanks everyone. I'll report back in September whenever I make my selection and attempt to install.

MG.
 

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Oh, and to answer the question: I have a 20" monitor, the NEC 20WMGX2, with 1680 x 1020 native res. I hope to upgrade to 1920 x 1200 soon however.
 

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this probally isnt helping but i don't know why you would want to switch to ATI there are better priced cards in the Nvidia range. I myself have the 9600 which is a great card. This is only my puni opinion just thought i would share
 

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At the time this debate began the price change for nVidia cards was relatively new. The references I make to articles at Tom's Hardware Guide compare the 48xx cards with the old priced nVidia 2xxs, making the ATI cards a better deal for the money - but as soon as nVidia dropped the price that ballgame changed a lot - but some reviewers never went back and updated their reviews.

Finally, as for card performance, it is a matter of personal choice and what you want to do with it and, more importantly, what you can afford. I can currently afford a $70 upgrade from an 8800GTS to a GT260, so away I go....
 

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Yes he is right.. The Prices are now the same. the 260 is just as cheap, and some places cheaper than the 4870.. I got my GTX260 for $279.99 thats just as good as ANY 4870 price. and mine has a lifetime warranty.. :)
 

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i just got my sapphire 4870 just yesterday. it wasnt mush of a hassle for the driver installation though. it went smooth. but try to get the updated drivers off the net first and dont install the one that comes with the package. There isnt anything wrong with installing it anyways, get it off the net.

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well Pyron.. did you switch from NV to ATI.. or what did you do with that new card.. How is it BTW.. care to share some Benchies?
 

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Hey xgun. well i always was a fan of ATI since the early days i used to take my computer apart and gain knowledge, but i always got stuck with NVIDIA for all the wrong reasons time after time until recently the heavens showed mercy on me. But problem for me is that now my processor and the power supply unit are literaly choking/bottle necking the performacne of my GFX card at the moment. so im im try to replace the power supply first and then the processor. Eventually in time all will be resolved. as for the benchies gimme sometime ill post them ASAP.
later cheers
 

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I got ya.. I understand, building the new rig takes time.. Could you post your as of now Specs in your SIG so we at least know what your meaning when you say your CPU is bottlknecking your new ATI card.

lets see those specs
 

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    eVGA/MSI GTX 260 SLI
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    Plenty of Fans, and a few 230mm Fans
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there u go. nothing decent. have a lot of work to do on the rig......:)
 

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not bad.. for one though is your RAM. Vista sucks more than any OS. and 1GB does not cut it. When I first got Vista and had 1GB of RAM, it was ok, but when I went to 2GB it made a HUGE difference and performance was much much better. You should do that, it would be a quick and cheap thing but big results.

and yes the CPU is a lil old, computers are a working progress. thats the fun in them. what PSU you got. Good luck there.
 

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    eVGA/MSI GTX 260 SLI
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    Samsung T240 & 226BW
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    1920x1200 & 1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    Seagate Cuda 500GB 32mb Cache SATA 7200.(11) + 500GB Seagate Cuda External eSATA, USB, FW400
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