Vista - PerfectDisk system file defragmenter

**frankzappa77** · 04-05-2009

I just reformated and noticed that it took Vista an average of 12 seconds for the boot screen to finish loading (I didn't count before or after that, just from when I see the green bar to when it finishes). After installing PerfectDisk 10 and doing an entire disk defragmentation, the time stayed about the same. But when I did a boot time defragment of my system files, the loading time for the boot screen actually increased to 40 seconds! I've rebooted about 5 times to measure the times and I've gotten up to 60 seconds as well!

Has anyone else who uses PerfectDisk had similar experience? Did the boot time get better over time or did it stay the same?

Also, in the program settings, it asks me whether I want PerfectDisk to manage my layout.ini file or if I want Windows to handle them; does anyone know which is preferred?

**dk70** · 04-06-2009

You need to let Vista build the tracing files optimizing boot - and give PerfectDisk time to deal with content. Defragging is not rocket science, the scheme x program uses for layout can be. 1 defrag after a reformat wont be enough if PerfectDisk scheme is based on your usage of Vista.

Layout.ini is for prefetching files, feeds Superfetch which wont be optimal either yet, but if you mainly care for boot time look up Readyboot and check in windows/prefetch/readyboot folder. Those files speed up boot and Perfectdisk can probably work with both them and content. Might have own rules for that, like not doing anything before there are X tracing files or something.

I use JkDefrag so dont really know PerfectDisk but I think matter of time and you setting it up correctly. Read help file.

Btw, if you disable Readyboost, "increasing memory" through flash drives, you also disable Readyboot so dont.

**MilesAhead** · 04-06-2009

Also this tutorial shows how you can set Superfetch to only preload boot files. I get relatively fast boots while reducing HD access once booting is completed.

SCSIraidGURU · 04-06-2009

I did not like how Perfectdisk defragmented. I went with O&O Defrag and have had better success.

**frankzappa77** · 04-07-2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SCSIraidGURU

I did not like how Perfectdisk defragmented. I went with O&O Defrag and have had better success.

I'll try that out. I'm a bit cheesed now that it takes around 50 seconds just for that green loading bar to finish. It doesn't even seem like it's improving over time.

Is O&O a single-pass defragmenter or a multi-pass one? I never liked Diskeeper too much because it was a multi-pass defragger.

**MilesAhead** · 04-07-2009

I recommend turning on boot logging.
Then look in \Windows\ntbootlog.txt

If you see it trying to load a bunch of drivers and those
files aren't even on your hd anymore, could be something
that left stuff in the registry when uninstalled. As example,
Norton internet protection or whatever it is. I had to download
the removal tool to get all the crap out of the registry. My reboot
time was 2 minutes. Now it's about 78 seconds(and that's for
Vista 64 bit. My Vista 32 bit reboot is about 10 seconds faster.)

**frankzappa77** · 04-07-2009

I'll try that MilesAhead, but I doubt it'll make a difference as this is a very recent install.

I remember my last install taking this long as well after defragmenting my system files with PerfectDisk 2008 at the time; but I never guessed the slow down was caused by that. My previous install was about 1.5 years old and the boot time never did decrease. Well at least I learned my lesson.

Question about that article you linked: if I only enable boot files, does that mean Superfetch will only preload boot files during boot or will it disable the preloading of programs once I log in? Because I want to keep the programs to be preloaded once I log in, because it makes a big difference.

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**MilesAhead** · 04-08-2009

On Superfetch you're right. If you want the runtime prefetching then leave the default settings. On the defragger if you have past experience then unfortunately you're probably right. I only saw a couple of "failed to load" entries in your log. Doesn't look like mine.

The only free quick thing you may try is open an administrator commend prompt and enter

defrag C: -b

to defrag boot files. Even though it's not documented in Vista, it works same as XP defrag. It may help a bit with the boot time.

04-05-2009	#1 (permalink)
frankzappa77 Vista Home Premium 32bit SP2 53 posts	PerfectDisk system file defragmenter I just reformated and noticed that it took Vista an average of 12 seconds for the boot screen to finish loading (I didn't count before or after that, just from when I see the green bar to when it finishes). After installing PerfectDisk 10 and doing an entire disk defragmentation, the time stayed about the same. But when I did a boot time defragment of my system files, the loading time for the boot screen actually increased to 40 seconds! I've rebooted about 5 times to measure the times and I've gotten up to 60 seconds as well! Has anyone else who uses PerfectDisk had similar experience? Did the boot time get better over time or did it stay the same? Also, in the program settings, it asks me whether I want PerfectDisk to manage my layout.ini file or if I want Windows to handle them; does anyone know which is preferred?
My System Specs

04-06-2009	#2 (permalink)
dk70 Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 213 posts	Re: PerfectDisk system file defragmenter You need to let Vista build the tracing files optimizing boot - and give PerfectDisk time to deal with content. Defragging is not rocket science, the scheme x program uses for layout can be. 1 defrag after a reformat wont be enough if PerfectDisk scheme is based on your usage of Vista. Layout.ini is for prefetching files, feeds Superfetch which wont be optimal either yet, but if you mainly care for boot time look up Readyboot and check in windows/prefetch/readyboot folder. Those files speed up boot and Perfectdisk can probably work with both them and content. Might have own rules for that, like not doing anything before there are X tracing files or something. I use JkDefrag so dont really know PerfectDisk but I think matter of time and you setting it up correctly. Read help file. Btw, if you disable Readyboost, "increasing memory" through flash drives, you also disable Readyboot so dont.
My System Specs

04-06-2009	#3 (permalink)
MilesAhead Vista Home Premium 64 bit SP1 692 posts	Re: PerfectDisk system file defragmenter Also this tutorial shows how you can set Superfetch to only preload boot files. I get relatively fast boots while reducing HD access once booting is completed.
My System Specs

04-06-2009	#4 (permalink)
SCSIraidGURU Vista x64 Ultimate 1,823 posts	Re: PerfectDisk system file defragmenter I did not like how Perfectdisk defragmented. I went with O&O Defrag and have had better success.
My System Specs

04-07-2009	#5 (permalink)
frankzappa77 Vista Home Premium 32bit SP2 53 posts	Re: PerfectDisk system file defragmenter Quote: Originally Posted by SCSIraidGURU I did not like how Perfectdisk defragmented. I went with O&O Defrag and have had better success. I'll try that out. I'm a bit cheesed now that it takes around 50 seconds just for that green loading bar to finish. It doesn't even seem like it's improving over time. Is O&O a single-pass defragmenter or a multi-pass one? I never liked Diskeeper too much because it was a multi-pass defragger.
My System Specs

04-07-2009	#6 (permalink)
MilesAhead Vista Home Premium 64 bit SP1 692 posts	Re: PerfectDisk system file defragmenter I recommend turning on boot logging. Then look in \Windows\ntbootlog.txt If you see it trying to load a bunch of drivers and those files aren't even on your hd anymore, could be something that left stuff in the registry when uninstalled. As example, Norton internet protection or whatever it is. I had to download the removal tool to get all the crap out of the registry. My reboot time was 2 minutes. Now it's about 78 seconds(and that's for Vista 64 bit. My Vista 32 bit reboot is about 10 seconds faster.)
My System Specs

04-08-2009	#8 (permalink)
MilesAhead Vista Home Premium 64 bit SP1 692 posts	Re: PerfectDisk system file defragmenter On Superfetch you're right. If you want the runtime prefetching then leave the default settings. On the defragger if you have past experience then unfortunately you're probably right. I only saw a couple of "failed to load" entries in your log. Doesn't look like mine. The only free quick thing you may try is open an administrator commend prompt and enter defrag C: -b to defrag boot files. Even though it's not documented in Vista, it works same as XP defrag. It may help a bit with the boot time.
My System Specs

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