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    Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    I have a 14 year old son who is not happy about parental controls--I know he now knows about using Safe Mode from a friend.

    I started up Vista with Safe Mode to see what I could do on his account. It still wouldn't let me sign in under his name b/c of the time limits....but there must be a way around that. Can I tell if he has used Safe Mode to get around parental controls?

    Is there a way to put a password on Safe Mode? I set a password for BIOS, but I don't know what good that does. Anything?



    I know there is parental control software out there (Web Watcher is one I was looking at)....but what good is it if a teen can just get around it?

    What is a parent to do?

    Dee

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    You can disable Safe Moe using the tutorial at How to Turn Off Safe Mode on Windows Vista | eHow.com but this will severely hinder your ability to fix the computer if it catches a virus.

    If you feel it's necessary then by all means do it.

    Putting a password on the BIOS prevents the changing of the system clock in it (which is how most people get round time limits).

    You should also disable the Command Prompt so he can't gain access to the hidden Administrator account which allows you to be in ful control wit out a password (Command Prompt - Enable or Disable).

    Hopefully this will lock down your PC enough for most 14 year olds to get into, although the one thing you can't protect against is him installing/using a Linux distro but as long as he doesn't catch word that this is possible you'll be fine.

    Make sure he is not an Administrator too, but I'm pretty sure he's not.

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    I am 14 and I know a computer from the back of my hand so just be careful because we do pick up alot of tricks and tips on computers

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowjk View Post
    I am 14 and I know a computer from the back of my hand so just be careful because we do pick up alot of tricks and tips on computers
    I've had this done to me before with strict parental controls etc.

    This is from my own experience with locking down PCs etc. and the only way to get round this without an Administrator Password is with a Linux Distro or with a Linux Live CD that can change Windows Administrator Passwords.

    As long as his ability to edit disk partitions is restricted and you keep an eye on any CDs he burns (or if he's crafty bootable USB Flash drives), you should be covering your stumps pretty well.

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    Hello Dee,

    I do not think that completely blocking Safe Mode is very sensible, as it will stop you fixing your computer if something breaks. Here is what I think you should do:

    • Make sure your son's account is a Standard User account. This ensures that he cannot change more settings than he is meant to.


    • Make sure that your Administrator a strong password on it that your son cannot guess.


    • Use Group Policy and parental controls to lock down access. If you do not have Vista Ultimate/Vista Business Editions, you can use the registry, and I will help you with this. What parental controls are you using, and what version of Vista are you using?


    • In terms of the BIOS password, that is very sensible, your son will ignore this for the moment, but if he suddenly becomes a true hacker overnight, then this will be a crucial line of defence. If you carefully fiddle the BIOS, you can stop bootable USBs and Linux Live CDs from working, without using your BIOS password, so do not worry about osholt's supposed workaround!


    • In terms of Safe Mode, this is an age old problem. Here is about the only solution: how to enforce parental controls in safe mode in Platform SDK Security and you will notice that it requires some programming. I will do this for you if you wish, but be warned that it could take me up to two weeks as I am quite busy, and need to reinstall my OS and Visual Studio before I code anything (long story) Else, we could add all required parental control services and dependencies to Safe Boot, though you are now loosing Safe Mode's only crucial services.


    • You will notice that this is not perfect. There are loopholes to all of these with known solutions. If you discover that your son is exploiting a loophole (which I tell you are hard to find) then come back here and we will close it.

    Good luck and I will help with the scripts, registry edits and BIOS when we are ready.

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    Quote Originally Posted by osholt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowjk View Post
    I am 14 and I know a computer from the back of my hand so just be careful because we do pick up alot of tricks and tips on computers
    I've had this done to me before with strict parental controls etc.

    This is from my own experience with locking down PCs etc. and the only way to get round this without an Administrator Password is with a Linux Distro or with a Linux Live CD that can change Windows Administrator Passwords.

    As long as his ability to edit disk partitions is restricted and you keep an eye on any CDs he burns (or if he's crafty bootable USB Flash drives), you should be covering your stumps pretty well.

    Oli
    Same, it got so annoying so I used a the Offline NT Password and Registry Editor, but it messed up my SAM file, so I had to reinstall again

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    Another thing you could do, is set time allowances on your router.

    Even if he does bypass the parental controls, he won't be able to access websites that you don't want him to.

    I know I will get criticised here about how he can use a proxy, but after testing my router, it was dynamically blocking the websites and whenever I went through a proxy, it also blocked that.

    If you need any help on how to do this (assuming your router is compatible), then let me know and I would be happy to help

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    Can we please make sure this thread DOES NOT move into hacking territory. Please keep all responses within the Forum Terms of Use. Thank you.

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    Does that really count as hacking? I was only sharing my opinion and my experiences so that it could best help the asker

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    Re: Teens, parental controls and safe mode

    Quote Originally Posted by tom982 View Post
    Another thing you could do, is set time allowances on your router.

    Even if he does bypass the parental controls, he won't be able to access websites that you don't want him to.

    I know I will get criticised here about how he can use a proxy, but after testing my router, it was dynamically blocking the websites and whenever I went through a proxy, it also blocked that.

    If you need any help on how to do this (assuming your router is compatible), then let me know and I would be happy to help
    Good advice Deserves some, but I cannot give any more to you yet after that good tutorial of yours, so my compliments will have to suffice!

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