Why is vista so problematic?

Firepuppet54 · Jan 17, 2009

i WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHY EVERYTHING I TRY TO DO IN VISTA REQUIRES A PATCH, A FIX, NEW SOFTWARE, HOURS OF RESEARCH? REALLY, WHY? XP WORKED. SORRY I EVER UPGRADED.
IS THERE A REALY GOOD BAR NEXT TO MICROSOFT CORP? ARE THEY ALL ON PHARMACEUTICALS? WHAT?
Did get my Epson scanner working, don't think I could repeat that if I tried. Lexar card reader? Nope. Oh. not just the 2 gig limit issue, it will read smaller cards but just don't try to download to them. Keep saying it's write protected, NOT!
Vista did not like SATA drives, did not like Creative 2ZS enhancements, totally crashed the system yrying to upgrade to Vista. So far, in short, it's a piece of crap.
Please send this to Bill Gates.

skunksmash · Jan 17, 2009

don't shout....

im sorry your ''H/W'' is preventing vista from running the way it should but thats hardly Microsoft's fault :sarc:

we wont send a thing to anyone, DO NOT TROLL, this is your only warning another post like this will earn you a ban.

:mad:

SK

Firepuppet54 · Jan 17, 2009

Thanks for the reply. Sorry if my post was inappropriate. I guess my frustration is showing. I don't entirely agree with the "not microsofts fault" Statement. My equipment is relatively new and Things worked just fine on XP. So why would Microsoft release an OS with so many conflicts? Especially knowing that they had a user base out there with newer equipment, but that has now become "legacy" equipment I suppose? I've spent quite a bit of time researching and downloading drivers etc. I guess I expected an easier transition with less work on getting things to run smoothly. Microsoft want you to buy their latest greatest but don't really talk about the conflicts and the obsolence of programs and hardware it creates.
Anyway, I'll stick to specific issues from here on if that's ok?

AstaLaVista · Jan 17, 2009

I understand your frustation, believe me I do but, I do not believe this forum is own by Microsoft so taking it out on the people that may want to help you is, well, like shooting yourself in the foot, wouldn't it?

The folks at this forum are very helpful, believe you me, I have asked a thousand questions here and they all have been answered to the best of their abilities.

Now, why don't you try to calmly tell us what you are experiencing and just perhaps, your issues will go away.

Firepuppet54 · Jan 17, 2009

Sure, and thanks! I've managed to solve most issues with help from a buddy who works in IT and it took him a week of tweeking to get Vista to like SATA drives!
Issues right now:
1) Lexar multi card reader. Does not read cards 2 GB and up, had read that. tested it, sure enough, no go but did read smaller cards. Could live with that, camera downloads higher cards just fine. BUT it seems you cannot transfer pictures TO any size card in the reader. It comes up with a message "card is write protected" even when not. Options are "try again" or "cancel". Believe it or not, if you hit try again rapidly and often a window pops up showing that the picture is being copied to the USB device, the card in the reader, but if you check after in explorer, it has not been. You get "folder empty". Lexar does not have, or does not think new drivers are needed. I've e-mailed them and we'll see if they have a response.

The other issue that pooped up was a conflict with vista DVD maker and an Indeo Codec. Probably with regards to codec used by my Canon S3is in movie clips. I have'nt looked further into this as yet and hopefully Adobe Premier Elements will handle this and I won't have to worry about Windows DVD Maker.
Games- weell I'm not big into into them. Would like to get IL2 Forgotten Battles running, and a few others. Solutions are probably online, just need time to get to it.
All that said, I like the Vista interface, if I can just get things going all will be well with the world! So, thank you all for your understanding on these issues. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

lordbob75 · Jan 17, 2009

Wow you had a lot of troubles!

What are your system specs? It could be that the mobo just doesn't like vista, some do that. See the "My System Specs" down at the bottom of every post? Go into your UserCP to fill that out so everyone can see your hardware.

Ok. So. It sounds like it could be a hardware problem, though it might also be a bad install.
The system specs can tell us some of this, and one of the boards or something might have a Vista issue.
Is all your equipment new?

As for the Lexar part, I had nothing but trouble with their products (though I did only have two). This could be the issue, because if the card reader is not compatible with Vista, then that might cause problems with the rest of it.

Do you have a spare HDD? I would recommend putting a fresh install of Vista on that, and unplug the other drive. Before doing that, unplug the old HDD and ALL of your components that are NOT ABSOLUTELY necessary for your PC to run. (I.E. leave the PSU and mobo, one DVD drive, and the HDD) Run the install with this, and see if it works well. If it doesnt, then it is a problem with one of your main components. If it works (and I think it will) then it is a problem with another piece of hardware.

Let us know what you try and how it works. It is a lot of work I know, but its worth it to get it working well.

~Lordbob

mc1548 · Jan 18, 2009

I know what you mean. Vista is much harder to use than XP. I bought a new laptop with Vista Home Premium & still can’t get Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer 2.1 to work, Vista isn’t even user friendly with MS programs & I’ve never had to do so many left mouse clicks with any other MS OS’s.

bugbyte · Jan 18, 2009

Since the day vista came out it has been a pain in the a$$. The Vista moderators are all mostly sycophants who feel it's their responsibility to defend Microsoft. Their modus operandi is to turn all criticism back on the user. Ex - "you should learn what you're talking about", "that's not microsoft's fault", "you shouldn't use it if you are too lazy to learn", etc. - Just once I'd like to see one of them stop drinking that microsoft Kool Aid and admit that Vista is a sloppy, poorly put together product.

mc1548 · Jan 18, 2009

bugbyte said:
Since the day vista came out it has been a pain in the a$$. The Vista moderators are all mostly sycophants who feel it's their responsibility to defend Microsoft. Their modus operandi is to turn all criticism back on the user. Ex - "you should learn what you're talking about", "that's not microsoft's fault", "you shouldn't use it if you are too lazy to learn", etc. - Just once I'd like to see one of them stop drinking that microsoft Kool Aid and admit that Vista is a sloppy, poorly put together product.

My Novice experience with MS OS’s is, 98se was good & stable but lacking the neat stuff, ME had the neat stuff but unstable & crashed all the time or constant restarts were necessary to get it to work, XP was great & now for me Vista acts more like ME & I have to restart at least every two days to get it working again.

I read a post from a savvy XP user about two months ago that said, “Don’t upgrade to Vista”. He also said something like, Win 7 is coming out so soon & that M$ will be making Billions from it especially if it gets good reviews!!!
M$ will stop supporting XP & all computers come with Vista now but M$ still sells a new XP install, “not upgrade” I found that out when I had a pirated XP Pro on a new laptop that I bought here in the Philippines, WGA wouldn’t pass & M$ gave me the options to buy a new XP install.

smarteyeball · Jan 18, 2009

mc1548 said:
I read a post from a savvy XP user

'Shudder'

sassofalco · Jan 18, 2009

Firepuppet54 said:
WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW Bill Gates.

bugbyte said:
"you should learn what you're talking about"

mc1548 said:
was good & stable but lacking the two days to get it working again making Billions from a pirated XP Pro on a new laptop

'Shudder'

.......Smarteyeball,

I agree, ** ***** ******** ********* ** *** water **** ***** ***** ***
**** ** angry. If **** *** *** ***** **** Vista, **** *** *** ** **** ** XL?:sa:

They ***** ***** *** ****** ** * ** Windows XL *****!! Then ***** ***** **** **? Still ***** :mad:

!!!

All **** ** ****** ** * ***** research, *** * ***** **** ***** compatibility. **** ***** **** * *** ** ***** :cry:

There's ******* ***** **** ******* Vista, *** ** *** means, ** *** **** ***** **, ** back *** *** *** **** *** ***** *** XL ** :shock:

PS; Edited heavily for the sake of decorum!

smarteyeball · Jan 18, 2009

mc1548 · Jan 18, 2009

sassofalco said:
Firepuppet54 said:

WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW Bill Gates.

Click to expand...

bugbyte said:

"you should learn what you're talking about"

Click to expand...

mc1548 said:

was good & stable but lacking the two days to get it working again making Billions from a pirated XP Pro on a new laptop

Click to expand...

'Shudder'.......Smarteyeball,

I agree, ** ***** ******** ********* ** *** water **** ***** ***** ***
**** ** angry. If **** *** *** ***** **** Vista, **** *** *** ** **** ** XL?:sa:

They ***** ***** *** ****** ** * ** Windows XL *****!! Then ***** ***** **** **? Still *****!!!

All **** ** ****** ** * ***** research, *** * ***** **** ***** compatibility. **** ***** **** * *** ** *****

There's ******* ***** **** ******* Vista, *** ** *** means, ** *** **** ***** **, ** back *** *** *** **** *** ***** *** XL **

PS; Edited heavily for the sake of decorum!

Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer not working in vista
Maybe someone can help me out with this one that I posted.
V 2.1.2104.0. I also uninstalled then reinstalled.
It says done downloading security update information then stops.
I’ve been trying to get it to work since I bought my new laptop 11-21-08 & I’ve let it run for an hour a few times & all night once.

mc1548 · Jan 18, 2009

Firepuppet54 said:
i WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHY EVERYTHING I TRY TO DO IN VISTA REQUIRES A PATCH, A FIX, NEW SOFTWARE, HOURS OF RESEARCH? REALLY, WHY? XP WORKED. SORRY I EVER UPGRADED.
IS THERE A REALY GOOD BAR NEXT TO MICROSOFT CORP? ARE THEY ALL ON PHARMACEUTICALS? WHAT?
Did get my Epson scanner working, don't think I could repeat that if I tried. Lexar card reader? Nope. Oh. not just the 2 gig limit issue, it will read smaller cards but just don't try to download to them. Keep saying it's write protected, NOT!
Vista did not like SATA drives, did not like Creative 2ZS enhancements, totally crashed the system yrying to upgrade to Vista. So far, in short, it's a piece of crap.
Please send this to Bill Gates.

I couldn’t get system restore to work till I read a post that said try it in safe mode & that works but that means I have to restart 3 times where XP was only 1 restart. I guess that’s just the way Vista is.

acdcfan · Jan 18, 2009

I did not have any issues with my Vista 64 Ultimate at all.
I got it installed in dual boot mode last year in Feb, and it has been smooth sailing ever since.
I believe that some hardware will not work with vista because manufacturers have not bothered to make the drivers for it , while there are a lot of drivers for XP 'cos it has been around for a while unlike vista.
Even, in the begging, there were issues with XP and hardware until, I believe, SP2 when M$ got it right. Some HP product, sound cards, hack usb were recognised as 1.0 until you put through SP1.
While, certainly, there are issues with Vista I believe that responsibilities lie with hardware manufactures to make up the drivers for Vista but it is due to M$ not providing them with a copy of software.
When service pack 2 come through all problems will be ironed out, I believe

skunksmash · Jan 18, 2009

bugbyte said:
Since the day vista came out it has been a pain in the a$$. The Vista moderators are all mostly sycophants who feel it's their responsibility to defend Microsoft. Their modus operandi is to turn all criticism back on the user. Ex - "you should learn what you're talking about", "that's not microsoft's fault", "you shouldn't use it if you are too lazy to learn", etc. - Just once I'd like to see one of them stop drinking that microsoft Kool Aid and admit that Vista is a sloppy, poorly put together product.

listen, the ''fact'' im i mod is irrelevant to the ''fact'' there is NOTHING wrong with vista, i have NEVER had a problem with my 64bit install since its inception, not 1 driver issue so ''yes'' it PISSES ME OFF when ppl slander this OS as crap. :mad:

while it is your right to express what you don't like, that does not mean you can ''put down'' ANY other members here.

i have said it thousands of times ''if you have problems with your installation its YOUR H/W at fault not vista''

i don't defend M$ or feel its my duty too, what i do recognize is the fact M$ are getting abused over vista when it is infact the minority who moan & whine

still incase it slipped your attention this is a vista ''support'' forum not a troll fest for any idiot to chime in about how much they hate visa ....& even worse to slander the resident mods.... :mad:

i really have had enough of hearing how crap this ''fully functional'' OS is, but pray continue.....the ban hammer is raised & awaiting another smarmy comment.

:mad:

SK

sassofalco · Jan 18, 2009

skunksmash said:
still incase it slipped your attention this is a vista ''support'' forum not a troll fest for any idiot to chime in about how much they hate visa ....& even worse to slander the resident mods....

i really have had enough of hearing how crap this ''fully functional'' OS is, but pray continue.....the ban hammer is raised & awaiting another smarmy comment.

SK

Here SK, a Vista back-up.........just in case!! If I recall, Barman58 prepared this one earlier;

:sa:

Firepuppet54 · Jan 18, 2009

Thank you all for the replies and I have to say that I have not listed all the issues I've had and, as I use the machine more (it's only had Vista running a few weeks) I expect to get more.
So, LordBob, I'll take you up on the suggestion to list hardware and will do that next. Regarding the Lexar, well, I'll likely have to give up on it. Funny, Future Shop here in Canada, and Best Buy (our versions of Circuit City I gather) still sell the very same reader in the memory card aisle, still does not show Vista compatible on the package. Wonder how many returns they're getting?
As for doing a reload, I'm loath to try that. My buddy, an IT professional spent a week loading it and finding updates to get Vista to like SATA hard drives. Mind you he did have to update the mobo bias and his opinion of the mobo I have was not kind! (Asrock dual Sata 939). However, Vista seems stable now. I just went through Activation Hell (can I say that here?) for 2 hours and 4 different New Delhi help desks to finally activate it. Long story, but initial "upgrade" install over a good legal XP crashed the whole system (suspect SATA drivers) has blus screen of death (BSOD in short, think I've seen that acronymn in use). So, did a "clean" install, no joy. That's when it got unplugged and unceromoniously dragged to the IT professional. So, Activation on line, msg came up :we have determined you cannot do a clean install with an upgrade version of Vista" (or something to that effect. I'm sure you can picture the invective thrown around at that point! IFirst, the upgrade version gives you the two options right at the start! If they are not going to activate you on clean install, why let you? Go figure. 2nd, had to do clean 'cause it totally screwed the system! Anyway, they did finally do it and I will say they are well trained, helpful and polite in the face of some very frustrated users.
I appreciated the insights of all of you who replied. Good to know I'm not the only one out there. Anyway, I'll continue to work out the issues here. We'll see what happens, and I'll enter that hardware info now. Goes in profile I think.

z3r010 · Jan 18, 2009

bugbyte said:
The Vista moderators are all mostly sycophants who feel it's their responsibility to defend Microsoft. Their modus operandi is to turn all criticism back on the user. Ex - "you should learn what you're talking about", "that's not microsoft's fault", "you shouldn't use it if you are too lazy to learn", etc. - Just once I'd like to see one of them stop drinking that microsoft Kool Aid and admit that Vista is a sloppy, poorly put together product.

WHAT!!! somebody dis'ing my Mods :mad:

Bye bye.

patio · Jan 18, 2009

These kind of rants occur with every release of a Windows version...you can quote one from 10 years ago and just insert the newest version and save alot of typing...
Just wait til 7 is released...

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