Is there a way to speed up Vista 32-bit?

haku6

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To whom may be interested in solving this matter:

My friend's laptop running on Vista 32-bit SP2 seems slow - at least compared to my own 7-year old laptop still running on XP SP3 and my Netbook also running on XP SP3 - not to mention my new desktop PC running on Windows 7 64-bit. This has been the case since he bought his machine 5 years ago - despite my several attempts to clean up his system, stopping unneeded services, etc.

Maybe someone out there might give some hints so as to speed up my friend's Vista a bit?

To all intents, I attach a specs log of the machine in question.

Thanks beforehand.

haku6
 

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There are many ways and I will give you the most important.

To maintain your computer

10 Tips on How to Properly Maintain Your Computer
ignore, reg cleaners.

Steps that I did not notice on the guide include:

Running a scan disc before doing a defrag

Using Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes.

Making System Restore points, at least once a week

Makaing a system Image once a month (varies by user)

Not relying on your A/V common sense, should prevail. You know of many sites can cause a problem.

Do not use any reg cleaning or optimizing software.

Download and use Ccleaner about once every two months. Untick any registry entries.
http://www.piriform.com/

Download and use PSI, to to be sure that all of your software is up to date
http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/

If you follow these instructions, you will be trouble free for a long time to come.

Be sure to back up your hard drive about once a month (varies by user) and to keeep system restore points up to date.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...er-performance

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/81176-speed-up-performance-vista.html
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS420
    Memory
    6 gig
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD3650 256 MB
    Sound Card
    Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell SP2009W 20 inch Flat Panel w Webcam
    Hard Drives
    640 gb
    Cooling
    Fan
    Keyboard
    Dell USB
    Mouse
    Dell USB 4 button optical
    Other Info
    DSL provided by ATT
Hi haku6,

Long time no see :p

Here are a few links to the things that Richard mentioned :)

Microsoft Security Essentials: Microsoft Security Essentials - Free Antivirus for Windows
It's made by MS and it plays very nicely with Windows (very few crashes or hangs). Not to mention being light on resources.
Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware: Malwarebytes : Free anti-malware download
Just use the free version for scans every week or so. This has very high detection rates and is developed by huge names in the malware removal community (about as big as they get!).
System Imaging with Macrium Reflect: Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download
If something goes wrong on your computer beyond repair (unlike your Windows Update issue!), then you have an image to fall back on. It's literally an exact copy of your hard disk at that point. It is still advisable to back up you files regularly as well - as Rich said.

What does Soluto say about your boot time? What are the biggest time spenders?

Tom
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Build #1
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 3770K @4.4GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8Z77-V PRO
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz Low Profile (White)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 (2GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Integrated on motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" LG LCD/LED IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920*1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung EVO 128GB SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200rpm
    2x500GB Seagate FreeAgent 5400rpm
    PSU
    Corsair TX650W V2 (80+ Bronze)
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 410
    Cooling
    Corsair H100 Water Cooler, 1x140mm and 1x120mm stock fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Mouse
    Internet Speed
    95 Mb/s Download 70 Mb/s Upload
1gb ram is a bit tight. Not the fastest processor in the world either.

If you can increase that to 2gb ram you should see big difference.
 

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System One System Two

  • Operating System
    Vista
    CPU
    Intel E8400
    Motherboard
    ASRock1333-GLAN R2.0
    Memory
    4gb DDR2 800
    Graphics Card(s)
    nvidia 9500GT 1gb
  • Operating System
    win7/vista
    CPU
    intel i5-8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    ballistix 2x8gb 3200
Does your friend have an external drive to back up the system? If so you may want to try installing Windows Seven Utlimate for evaluation. I've heard the installer is much more sophisticated than Vista. Also I've heard that Windows Seven Ultimate runs better on under powered systems than Vista.

You should be able to find totally legal Windows Seven iso images for evaluation purposes. If your friend then decides to keep it the OS should be activated before the evaluation period expires.
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion m9515y
    CPU
    Phenom X4 9850
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Some Radeon Cheapie with 512 MB Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    CRT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    750 GB SATA 3G
    2 SIIG Superspeed docks w/WD Caviar Black Sata II or III
Thanks all for the several tips to all,

Let's tackle you first, Rich!

Quote: There are many ways and I will give you the most important.

To maintain your computer
10 Tips on How to Properly Maintain Your Computer

Ignore, reg cleaners.


Answer: My friend may not be the greatest computer maven ever, far from it - hence my trying to help him. However, I can assure you that most of your maintenance tips have always been applied - with the sad exception of me noticing at such a late stage that several most important updates had not been acknowledged by the OS. But since that matter has been taken care of, this particular mishap is fortunately water under the bridge. So, defrags, scan disks, system restore points, prudent use of CCleaner, backups and so on, have been done on a relatively regular base (I am not sitting every day behind my friend's machine, but nevertheless keep an eye on things).

By the way: all my own machines, which I do maintain properly, regularly and thoroughly are - touch wood - in perfect working order (I have been using computers since 1979; so, along the years, a thing or two must've rubbed off). More about this perceived perfection in the note below.

Only exceptions or variations:
1. Microsoft Security Essentials
I am using Avast (professional version) as Virus Scanner and have been extremely happy with that software throughout the years. Or would you suggest that Avast is less reliable than MS Security Essentials?
2. System Restore
I double up Windows System Restore (which I have been finding wanting in many respects and which makes automatic Restore Points every day anyway - if it works) with ERUNT, which in my uneducated view is far more complete since it records the entire system, and has served me well, too, now and then under quite dramatic circumstances.
3. Malwarebytes
Ah, there you got me! Didn't know the existence of that utility before registering on your forum. It has been applied to my friend's computer during the SP repair operations, so this has been taken care of. And I will indeed continue to use it.

Note: I have by now installed Malwarebytes on my own machines - both the XP driven and the new Win7 one. After I full scanned them, the utility did indeed discover 1 malware on the new machine as well as a bad Registry item and 4 instances on the XP laptop: 2 Registry data items and 2 files.
All these items had never been detected before, so this utility has been a great boon indeed.

Quote:Making a system Image once a month (varies by user)
My systems are fully mirrored and the mirrors maintained on a regular base. I do not think the small amount of my friend's operations warrants a mirror of his system. But one of these days, I'll make one, just to be sure - although I don't see how such a measure would speed up his machine!

Quote:Not relying on your A/V common sense, should prevail. You know of many sites can cause a problem.
What's A/V common sense? A/V cannot stand for Audio-Visual, can it? As for sites possibly causing problems, I am wary of them. However, most of the malware files and Registry problems detected by Malwarebytes came from site downloaders. So I'll be especially prudent when it comes to such kinds of downloads (going through a third party in order to download one or other thing).

Quote:Do not use any reg cleaning or optimizing software.
Well, I do reg cleaning. But, as said, prudently. I know just enough about working with registers, so that I can control this aspect. Never had a problem with this on any machine - but one never knows for sure, of course. As for optimizing, the only interventions I do is manually turning services on and off - when I am sure that I am not doing something untoward. Although... at a certain moment, indeed on my friend's machine, I turned off all Toshiba 'extra utilities' in services. And what do you know? All his mails had gone down the drain! Fortunately, I knew what I had been doing, together with System Restores an Erunt back-ups along the way, so I could restore everything without a problem (but a lot of cold sweat). And the mails reappeared. (I knew of course where they were located). Never found out which Toshiba "utility" had done the deed. But it goes to show to what extremes Toshiba goes in rummaging into the OEM OS.

Quote:Download and use Ccleaner about once every two months. Untick any registry entries. http://www.piriform.com/
I do, I do! Except for that registry thing. See above.

Quote:Download and use PSI, to to be sure that all of your software is up to date
http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/

Here you got me again. Have not used PSI and was unaware of its existence, but will try it out on my friend's PC in two weeks' time, when I'll have my hands on the machine again. However, in this case too, I don't see why a program that has not been updated, would impair a PC.

Quote: Be sure to back up your hard drive about once a month (varies by user) and to keep system restore points up to date.
Have done all that and been there - over and over again...

Quote:If you follow these instructions, you will be trouble free for a long time to come.
I have been trouble free - on my own machines - since long (double touch wood!) My question for this discussion in fact amounted to this: Why would a more modern OS on a relatively more powerful PC run slower? In clear: My far older and/or less powerful machines running on XP, are by all means faster, and less stalling prone than my friend's. That's all.

In truth, I discovered recently (due to the enormous amount of separate Win updates following the installation of SP1 & 2 on that PC, that the automatic Window updates, reduced the machine to a crawl (with now and then minutes long stalls of everything) during download and install. I had indeed arranged for these updates to be downloaded automatically, due to my friend's lack of proficiency in computer use. Wrong, wrong move! I have now taught him how to update Windows manually. It took some doing to get that into his head, but he'll do it. I am sure that most speed problems will go away.

But not all! To give you the most telling example: Starting up a program the first time, or just opening a window the first time, or whatever operation the first time, still takes up an inordinate amount of... time - both before the launch or, in case of a window the building up of its contents, certainly when using large icons. However, when doing this the second time, almost immediate response. A prefetch problem? With my very limited knowledge, I don't know.

So the question remains: why these problems, when everything seems in order. Lack of power perhaps - even if my friend is only using the computer for very simple operations?

That's the answer I would like to get on his behalf.

Finally
Quote: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...er-performance
This page can not be found!

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/81176-speed-up-performance-vista.html

No real answers, there - at least not for this problem... However, I'll have a look again in a fortnight.

Bye for now Rich.

haku6
 

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[/INDENT]System Imaging with Macrium Reflect: Macrium Reflect FREE Edition - Information and download
If something goes wrong on your computer beyond repair (unlike your Windows Update issue!), then you have an image to fall back on. It's literally an exact copy of your hard disk at that point. It is still advisable to back up you files regularly as well - as Rich said.

What does Soluto say about your boot time? What are the biggest time spenders?

Dear Tom!

So, here you are again!

Aside about Win 7. Received quite a thorough answer from 'KoolKat' on SevenForum about some malfunctioning of my new PC. He was a bit confused because I go under two identities in your forums: didn't want this but your forums don't seem to be able to handle one name for two of them.

Back to Vista. Once I've worked out all of Rich's information, I'll tackle your suggestions and answer your questions: I'll only be back on my friend's laptop in a fortnight, lest he brings it over to Antwerp where I live before that. But I can tell you already that the Soluto boot time does not correspond with everything that goes on from start to finish. I'll just have to time the whole process manually, as it were.

By the way: I have a faint impression that one of the repliers has the right hunch. Even if I GB ram is said to be sufficient to run Vista, it will indeed be much faster if ram would be double or even treble the size. I'll see if I can find some specialist who can fit a higher amount of GB in the Toshiba. Never a wrong initiative, if the machine allows it. My old XP laptop ran much better once I had enhanced its ram even in its narrow limits. The price for that was higher core temp, but I cut that down again with a fan base. One keeps busy...

So, bye for now.

haku6 (on this forum)

PS - When you go skying, send a picture!
 

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1gb ram is a bit tight. Not the fastest processor in the world either.

If you can increase that to 2gb ram you should see big difference.

You are probably quite, Siw2. At least for a great part. I'll try to find someone to install a faster processor to increase the ram within the limit of my friend's laptop. His machine is out of warranty anyway.

Thanks for the tip.

haku6
 

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Does your friend have an external drive to back up the system? If so you may want to try installing Windows Seven Utlimate for evaluation. I've heard the installer is much more sophisticated than Vista. Also I've heard that Windows Seven Ultimate runs better on under powered systems than Vista.

You should be able to find totally legal Windows Seven iso images for evaluation purposes. If your friend then decides to keep it the OS should be activated before the evaluation period expires.

Hello MilesAhead!

My friend has indeed an external Seagate 2GB drive. But if I will be able to convince him to upgrade to Win 7 is another question. First I'll try to upgrade his processor within the limits of his laptop - probably 2GB instead of 1GB. And try meanwhile to clean up his machine as much as possible. Many members on this forum have already given me valuable tips.

Thanks for your suggestion,

haku6
 

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I assume you mean a Seagate 20 GB external? That's cutting it kind of close. I guess it might hold one backup image of the Vista partition if it's like 70% free space. My Vista images tend to be at least 18 GB using image backup like Macrium.

It would be interesting to try with the new hardware, then put W7 on and see if he wants to keep it. I did get Vista after XP. When I first got W7 the extra stuff like Snap was really annoying. But once I adjusted to it I like having those features. It's not the end of the world to use Vista. It's too bad the Taskbar progress and other stuff can't be grafted on though. :)
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion m9515y
    CPU
    Phenom X4 9850
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Some Radeon Cheapie with 512 MB Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    CRT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    750 GB SATA 3G
    2 SIIG Superspeed docks w/WD Caviar Black Sata II or III
That should do it. :)
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion m9515y
    CPU
    Phenom X4 9850
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Some Radeon Cheapie with 512 MB Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    CRT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    750 GB SATA 3G
    2 SIIG Superspeed docks w/WD Caviar Black Sata II or III
Hello haku6,

Yes, me again :)

Dear Tom!

So, here you are again!

Aside about Win 7. Received quite a thorough answer from 'KoolKat' on SevenForum about some malfunctioning of my new PC. He was a bit confused because I go under two identities in your forums: didn't want this but your forums don't seem to be able to handle one name for two of them.

KoolKat is a she :p Yeah, we get quite a few users with a similar problem. Because they're two separate domains, they have two separate user databases.

Back to Vista. Once I've worked out all of Rich's information, I'll tackle your suggestions and answer your questions: I'll only be back on my friend's laptop in a fortnight, lest he brings it over to Antwerp where I live before that. But I can tell you already that the Soluto boot time does not correspond with everything that goes on from start to finish. I'll just have to time the whole process manually, as it were.

By the way: I have a faint impression that one of the repliers has the right hunch. Even if I GB ram is said to be sufficient to run Vista, it will indeed be much faster if ram would be double or even treble the size. I'll see if I can find some specialist who can fit a higher amount of GB in the Toshiba. Never a wrong initiative, if the machine allows it. My old XP laptop ran much better once I had enhanced its ram even in its narrow limits. The price for that was higher core temp, but I cut that down again with a fan base. One keeps busy...

So, bye for now.

haku6 (on this forum)

No worries, just do it when you can. Oh that was a good spot, I hadn't noticed the amount of RAM that the laptop has. It's a relatively easy job to upgrade RAM, so you could do it yourself if you felt confident enough? I'm sure you wouldn't have any problems in doing so, but we're here to help you should you need it.

Upgrading the CPU is very difficult though, I've never heard of it being done before!

PS - When you go skying, send a picture!
Will do!

Tom
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Build #1
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 3770K @4.4GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8Z77-V PRO
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz Low Profile (White)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 (2GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Integrated on motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" LG LCD/LED IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920*1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung EVO 128GB SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200rpm
    2x500GB Seagate FreeAgent 5400rpm
    PSU
    Corsair TX650W V2 (80+ Bronze)
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 410
    Cooling
    Corsair H100 Water Cooler, 1x140mm and 1x120mm stock fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Mouse
    Internet Speed
    95 Mb/s Download 70 Mb/s Upload
I meant RAM, of course. Getting a bit long in the teeth and confused.

How should I go about augmenting RAM (and get to know the limits) with that specific Toshiba machine. I've done it before with my own laptop, it was indeed a cinch. But is there a site where I can find instructions?

Bye,

haku6
 

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32bit (x86) computers can only handle a max of 4GB of RAM. If you put in any more than that, it won't make use of it. The more important thing that we need to know is the type of connection that the RAM uses so that we can find a suitable replacement. Could you tell me the exact model number of the laptop please? I know it's a Satellite C660, but there should be three more characters after the C660 - they're important! :)

Tom
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Build #1
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 3770K @4.4GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8Z77-V PRO
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz Low Profile (White)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 (2GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Integrated on motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" LG LCD/LED IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920*1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung EVO 128GB SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200rpm
    2x500GB Seagate FreeAgent 5400rpm
    PSU
    Corsair TX650W V2 (80+ Bronze)
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 410
    Cooling
    Corsair H100 Water Cooler, 1x140mm and 1x120mm stock fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Mouse
    Internet Speed
    95 Mb/s Download 70 Mb/s Upload
I'll have this checked! As you know, I don't have access to the machine until next week.

haku6

That's great :) Whenever suits you, suits me.
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Build #1
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 3770K @4.4GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS P8Z77-V PRO
    Memory
    Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz Low Profile (White)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 (2GB GDDR5)
    Sound Card
    Integrated on motherboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" LG LCD/LED IPS
    Screen Resolution
    1920*1080
    Hard Drives
    Samsung EVO 128GB SSD
    Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200rpm
    2x500GB Seagate FreeAgent 5400rpm
    PSU
    Corsair TX650W V2 (80+ Bronze)
    Case
    NZXT Phantom 410
    Cooling
    Corsair H100 Water Cooler, 1x140mm and 1x120mm stock fans
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Desktop 2000 Wireless Mouse
    Internet Speed
    95 Mb/s Download 70 Mb/s Upload
Dear Tom,

Just received the info by mail. Toshiba 660C is the new name of that Satellite model

Here are the specs as compiled from the sticker on the bottom of the laptop:
TOSHIBA
SATELLITE A100-00M
MODEL NO. PSAANE-02EO2XBT (the last O could be a zero - no difference between the two)
SERIAL NO. 17287330Q

In very small characters there was another number, with no further specification, but featuring (almost) the new 660C name: G66C 0001 K410

But I guess it is of little or no importance: the model number will be sufficient (lots of hits on the Net)

And voilà, as we say in Japanese.

The Wandering Minstrel Me, haku6
 

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