I'm looking at a hd 4850 or maybe a 4830 & my PSU

greeneggsandham

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I'm looking at getting a hd 4850 but i'm not sure my PSU is up to it?

I'm in the process of giving my system an almost complete overhaul starting with the motherboard & some new ram. I already have a good case with a good PSU thats only a few months old being used on my current setup which i'm planning to still use in my new setup.

I have an Antec NSK2400 which came with a Antec SU380 earthwatts 380watt PSU. It has dual 12V rails at 16 amps each.
Antec NSK2400 / Fusion Media PC Case | silentpcreview.com PSU specs.

I'm thinking of getting an ati hd4850 when I next get some cash together which recommends a 450watt PSU.
Looking at the specs of cheaper 500watt PSU's shows they give off less amps per rail than my antec 380watt PSU? seems odd to me.

From what perspective are ati recommending a 450 watt PSU, are they assuming the worst case senario of Joe public with a cheap 450watt PSU onboard just to play it safe maybe?

Does any one think my current Antec PSU could cut it with a 4850 onboard?
from what i found out appears to be a rebranded Seasonic Super Silencer 400watt PSU
Antec SU380 power supply (in NSK2400 case) | silentpcreview.com
 
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Is the 500 watt you're looking at a reputable brand, such as Corsair, Thermaltake, PC Power and Cooling?

Branded PSU's such as a 450 watt one will be more expensive than a 500 watt, 600 or watt or even 700 watts (700 watts are being sold for about £20-£30 on ebay, but no brand) because they're generally a lot better quality in build and performance.

I'm not sure what "quality" of PSU it is when it says "recommended 450 watt", but it's always best to get a proper PSU. It is probably the only component in a computer you musn't cut corners on. I learnt that a few years ago when I bought a no branded PSU as a replacement and blue sparks started flying out the back of my PC.
 

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Is the 500 watt you're looking at a reputable brand, such as Corsair, Thermaltake, PC Power and Cooling?

Branded PSU's such as a 450 watt one will be more expensive than a 500 watt, 600 or watt or even 700 watts (700 watts are being sold for about £20-£30 on ebay, but no brand) because they're generally a lot better quality in build and performance.

I'm not sure what "quality" of PSU it is when it says "recommended 450 watt", but it's always best to get a proper PSU. It is probably the only component in a computer you musn't cut corners on. I learnt that a few years ago when I bought a no branded PSU as a replacement and blue sparks started flying out the back of my
PC.

My current PSU is a branded one it's an Antic earthwatts 80 plus rated, which from what i found out appears to be a rebranded Seasonic Super Silencer 400watt PSU?
Antec SU380 power supply (in NSK2400 case) | silentpcreview.com

I'm just wondering if it would be able to handle a 4850 given it outputs more amps per rail than i cheap 500watt PSU?
 
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hm...... i would just go ahead and get a branded 600 watt psu like a cosair
 

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hm...... i would just go ahead and get a branded 600 watt psu like a cosair

My PSU is a branded one and i'm thinking it might just maybe cut the mustard, so to speak? looking at the Amps per rail with a limited understanding of things mostly thanks to google? but i'm not really that confident enough to no for sure in my understanding of things when it comes to PSU's and other hardware?
 

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well i would still try to get a higher wattage psu...... 600 would be good and you can get one for about 50 or 60
 

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well i would still try to get a higher wattage psu...... 600 would be good and you can get one for about 50 or 60

It's alot of cash when you add a new supply to the mix aswell. My current PSU is basically still new and i am running a hd2600pro of it at present with no issues & thats a recommended 400watt PSU. The 2600pro tops out at about 95 watts max. The 4850 tops in at 110 watts max.
 

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    380W Antec Earth Watts
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    Antec NSK 2480
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    Scythe Mini ninja
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    generic
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eh well ok you can try it.....
if it fries your psu shouldn't hurt anything :D
 

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    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
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The only thing that will happen if you try it is your PC will shut down whenever the graphic card gets under too much load for the PSU to handle. If that keeps happening, then you'll know :)
 

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The only thing that will happen if you try it is your PC will shut down whenever the graphic card gets under too much load for the PSU to handle. If that keeps happening, then you'll know :)

Might as well give it a shot then, with some stress testing like 3dmark, prime & trying out a few demanding games. If it does not cut the mustard i'll guess i'll find out pretty quickly that way. It's not like it's going to harm anything to try it.
 

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    380W Antec Earth Watts
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    Antec NSK 2480
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    Scythe Mini ninja
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    generic
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    Depends what time of the month it is? I have a uk isp.
I'm running a MSI R4850 T2D512 on a 250 watt power supply in a Shuttle. No problems so far.
 

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I'm running a MSI R4850 T2D512 on a 250 watt power supply in a Shuttle. No problems so far.
How much hardware do you have running on that setup?

I did read a review about the antec earthwatts 500watt psu the model up from mine. The reviewer said he was running a high end graphics card with 8 gigs of ram, a 3ghz duelcore cpu with 4 hard disc drives and he was barely even using half of the PSU's rated power at the highest loads. The reviewer also said it just goes to show you that modern lower watt good quality PSU's give alot more amps on the rails than they use to.

It appears from alot of articales & reviews i have recently read that alot of people seem to more than over overestimate and give themselves light years of headroom. Aparantly we should just ignore the watts to some degree & look at the amps on the rails when buying or calculating power requirements for a PSU, the wattage ratings are most of the time misleading at best.
 

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    Onboard Intel GMA X4500HD
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    On board crap!
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    DGM 15" inch generic?
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    1280x 1024
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    2
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    380W Antec Earth Watts
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    Antec NSK 2480
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    Scythe Mini ninja
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    generic
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Not much hardware. Just what I need. ICE2 cooling fan, onboard audio, SATA DVD Burner, SATA Barracuda Hard Drive, wireless mouse and keyboard. That's about it.
 

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