Crazy Motherboard?

panais · Oct 1, 2009

I have the GA-X38-DS4.
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I insert\install 4GB of Crucial Ballistix Dual Channel 1024MB PC8500 DDR2 1066MHz Memory (4 x 1024MB)Canadian Prices: Crucial Technology - Crucial Ballistix Dual Channel 2048MB PC8500 DDR2... - BL2KIT12864AA1065 and after few days i get BSOD and continues restart.<o></o>>

I insert\install 4GB of Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF 4GB 2X2GB PC2-8500 DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Memory Kit Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF 4GB 2X2GB PC2-8500 DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Memory Kit: TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF and after few days i get BSOD and continues restart.<o>></o>

So i insert\install back the 4GB 2x2GB Kingston 800MHZ DDR2-NON-ECC CL5 DIMM (KVR800D2N5/2G) [FONT=&quot]http://www.directron.com/kvr800d2n52g.html[/FONT]<o></o>
AND EVERYTHING WORKS FINE<o></o>

Am i doing anything wrong?Do i miss something?I must change anything in bios settings of my GA-X38-DS4?<o></o>
GIGABYTE - Product - Motherboard - Overview - GA-X38-DS4<o></o>

stoneys-nutz · Oct 1, 2009

Hello panais,
Take a look at the voltage settings in the Bios and set it to the memory manufacturers recommended voltage.
Also, is the memory your using on the manufacturers QVL ?.
Hope this helps and post your results.

panais · Oct 1, 2009

stoneys-nutz said:
Hello panais,
Take a look at the voltage settings in the Bios and set it to the memory manufacturers recommended voltage.
Also, is the memory your using on the manufacturers QVL ?.
Hope this helps and post your results.

how do i change the voltage settings?
Which settings i must change in bios and how?
I want to set it at V2.1 what number i must select?
Sorry i am a little newbie with this.
Please help and with details if possible.
Thanks

stoneys-nutz · Oct 1, 2009

I have never had a GIGABYTE board so I'm not familiar with their options, if you go in to the Bios you will see options for adjusting the voltages on the CPU, Memory, and other things, highlight the memory option and it will either have a drop down box or the option to adjust it using the plus or minus keys, set it to the required Voltage and save settings.
You should find these instructions in your MB users guide.

mpcrsc562 · Oct 1, 2009

(i hope it's labeled the same; i have an amd gigabyte board :rolleyes:

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in bios, go to motherboard intelligent tweaker and look for settings for dram voltage (near the bottom of the page), disable the auto voltage setting, then set the voltage to what's stated on the the ram. if you need to, go to the dram timings setting and disable auto timings (somewhere in the middle of the page), then set your timings as needed (5-5-5-15-24-2T -- probably)

(gotta take my daughter to school, but when i get back, i'll snap some pics of the bios page and post them to see if it helps

)

panais · Oct 1, 2009

mpcrsc562 said:
(i hope it's labeled the same; i have an amd gigabyte board )

in bios, go to motherboard intelligent tweaker and look for settings for dram voltage (near the bottom of the page), disable the auto voltage setting, then set the voltage to what's stated on the the ram. if you need to, go to the dram timings setting and disable auto timings (somewhere in the middle of the page), then set your timings as needed (5-5-5-15-24-2T -- probably)

(gotta take my daughter to school, but when i get back, i'll snap some pics of the bios page and post them to see if it helps )

I want to set it at V2.1 what i have to change what i have to do?
where i can see the memory voltage in bios?

mpcrsc562 · Oct 1, 2009

here's the pics... hope it helps.

(oh, and i just checked you system specs... i don't know if intel boards bear this "problem"(?), but wanted to let you know of a potential problem (as i've had with my board). i, like you, have the corsair xms2 1066 ram. whenever i have used 8 gb of ram, i cannot run the ram at 1066 speed. any and every time i try to set the ram at 1066, BSOD. so my 1066 ram is running at 800. the settings on my board relating to ram, as you can see from my pics, are all at AUTO, with the exception of voltage, which i manually set to 2.1)

panais · Oct 1, 2009

My motherboard has an auto option in ram voltage.
So i set it to auto,and in pc health shows 2.1.
Is better to leave it in auto or set the voltage manualy?
What is ur opinion?

stoneys-nutz · Oct 1, 2009

I would leave it in auto. If it works leave it alone.

mpcrsc562 · Oct 1, 2009

well, that depends (on leaving it on auto or not). if your motherboard is automatically setting voltage at 1.8 and you're not stable, then you'd need to take it off of auto and set it manually to 2.1. as i stated above, but maybe was not clear, my ram is set to AUTO, but that pertains to the timings (5-5-5-18-24-2T). i set my system voltage to manual adjustment, but i don't change any settings except to what pertains to ddr2 voltage. in my case, my board defaults to 1.8, so i add +0.300.

there is another way to have to voltage auto set (if your motherboard has the settings for it). i didn't mention it earlier because when i use it on my board, i blue screen. but, you can set all of your timings to auto and your ddr2 voltage to auto. if you have EPP (Enhanced Performance Profile) you can set your EPP to match your ram.

in the pic, you can see (near the middle) jedec #1, jedec #2, and epp #1. even though my ram is rated at 1066, with 8 gigs, i can only run it at 800. my ram profile corresponds to jedec #2 (400mhz dual data rate=800mhz). i can manually set my ram in my bios or i go the easy way (but it doesn't work for me) and set my ram to epp #1, which corresponds to 1066mhz (533mhz dual data rate). on my board, though, it is set to jedec#2, but i manually set the ram voltage to 2.1, instead of letting it auto-set to 1.8.

panais · Oct 1, 2009

well i will like to learn overclocking.
I want to know how to...
oc my cpu (multiplier voltage etc)
oc my ram (multiplier voltage etc)
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Btw why i can't change the timings?
1)Every time i change the timings to 4-4-4-14 the pc restarts 2-3 times and auto set the timings back to default 5-5-5-18.
i miss something?

mpcrsc562 · Oct 1, 2009

the overclocking part--i've never owned an intel board that was overclockable, therefore, i have not the first clue how to do it on an intel board. even with the amd boards i've owned, i always tried to go the easy route by buying black edition processors (unlocked multipliers=very easy overclock, with just a bit of voltage tweaking for stability)

you are setting the timings according to the ram modules (does the ram support 4-4-4-14 timings? before i found out that there was no way to run my ram at 1066mhz with 8 gigs installed, i tried playing with the timings too. like you, the board would restart and default back to 5-5-5-18) do you have an epp setting in your bios? when the board defaults back to 5-5-5-18 timings, can it boot into windows and run relatively stable? i know i keep comparing apples to oranges (amd to intel), but in my case, i've come to the conclusion that the problem with the ram and settings lies with the board and not the ram (and maybe with the phenom II processors too). in my opinion, having a stable, solid system outweighs the fact that i cannot run my ram at the speed i bought it to run at. yeah, had i known in the first place that i would have the problems i've had, i would have just bought 800mhz ram off-the-bat.

matter of fact, i've even contacted gigabyte concerning my issue. their reply was that they've never heard of any problem such as what i was experiencing. i also joined the corsair forum and submitted my problem. lo-and-behold, it seems i wasn't the only one having the problem with ram, phenom II, and gigabyte boards. for my problem, going to the cpu-z image above, i tried setting my ram to jedec#1 (4-4-4-12 timings). as you can see, though, jedec#1 has a voltage of 1.8v. when i would boot, bsod. when i tried epp#1 (5-5-5-15), but 2.1v instead. same as before, try to boot, bsod. my settings are a happy medium for my system to be stable, and you might have to do the same. my current ram profile is jedec#2 (5-5-5-18) and i manually changed the ram voltage to 2.1v, instead of the 1.8v according to the ram profile (i also nudged the northbridge voltage to help gain stability, as suggested to me by the corsair forum moderator) again, i don't know if anything of my problems pertain to gigabyte intel boards, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.

i wish you well in getting this resolved.

panais · Oct 1, 2009

When i change increase the cpu multiplier for example from 2.400 to 2600 i need to change anything else?like voltage?

mpcrsc562 · Oct 1, 2009

panais said:
When i change increase the cpu multiplier for example from 2.400 to 2600 i need to change anything else?like voltage?

when i overclock my processor (which, to beat a dead horse--is an amd) i do increase the voltage slightly. mine now is overclocked to 3.3ghz (from stock 3.0--yeah i know it's not much, but it's still hot here in southern california and i don't have liquid cooling) anyway, i upped my voltage from 1.35 to 1.4.

panais · Oct 1, 2009

mpcrsc562 said:
panais said:

When i change increase the cpu multiplier for example from 2.400 to 2600 i need to change anything else?like voltage?

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when i overclock my processor (which, to beat a dead horse--is an amd) i do increase the voltage slightly. mine now is overclocked to 3.3ghz (from stock 3.0--yeah i know it's not much, but it's still hot here in southern california and i don't have liquid cooling) anyway, i upped my voltage from 1.35 to 1.4.

i know the ddr2 voltage +0.30V etc
Now which is the cpu voltage?what is the name of it?
How do i know which voltage is correct for the (example) @2600mhz?

mpcrsc562 · Oct 1, 2009

it should be labeled cpu voltage, don't quote me yet (i'll have to make sure when i reboot). as far as how much of an increase--- probably no more than .050v should be enough. it's really just a trial and error thing trying to find stability. if you can increase the fsb, and cpu clock freq without upping the voltage and keep stability, all the better for you.

in my bios, the setting is labeled: CPU Voltage Control (in the M.I.B. page, all the way at the bottom)

panais · Oct 1, 2009

mpcrsc562 said:
it should be labeled cpu voltage, don't quote me yet (i'll have to make sure when i reboot). as far as how much of an increase--- probably no more than .050v should be enough. it's really just a trial and error thing trying to find stability. if you can increase the fsb, and cpu clock freq without upping the voltage and keep stability, all the better for you.

I just(only) changed the multiplier and i set the cpu from 2400 to 2600,i didnt (touch)change anything else,no cpu voltage,nothing just and only the multiplier.
A! i change/increase the ram voltage because when i change the cpu multiplier to 2600 the ram automaticaly set to 1106.
The pc start and works fine,i didnt testing in gaming or something else yet.
Btw...I really wonder is better to leave the ddr2 voltage to auto or to manual adjust to +0.30V?
And something else,in pc health status i notice this...
DDR18V 2.128V
what are those numbers exactly?i know must be the ram voltage,but what is the
DDR18V and what is the 2.128V?

mpcrsc562 · Oct 1, 2009

panais said:
mpcrsc562 said:

it should be labeled cpu voltage, don't quote me yet (i'll have to make sure when i reboot). as far as how much of an increase--- probably no more than .050v should be enough. it's really just a trial and error thing trying to find stability. if you can increase the fsb, and cpu clock freq without upping the voltage and keep stability, all the better for you.

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And something else,in pc health status i notice this...
DDR18V 2.128V
what are those numbers exactly?i know must be the ram voltage,but what is the
DDR18V and what is the 2.128V?

i have no idea what those numbers are. it must be something specific to your board and chipset.

panais · Oct 2, 2009

The factory stock timings are 5-5-5-15 but my motherboard auto set the timings to 5-5-5-18
so i manualy set the timings to 5-5-5-15.
Do i have to change any voltage?
Do i have to change the ram voltage to 2.2V?
(Now they are auto set from the motherboard to 2.1V)

skunksmash · Oct 3, 2009

panais said:
The factory stock timings are 5-5-5-15 but my motherboard auto set the timings to 5-5-5-18
so i manualy set the timings to 5-5-5-15.
Do i have to change any voltage?
Do i have to change the ram voltage to 2.2V?
(Now they are auto set from the motherboard to 2.1V)

Hi panias........

you wont need to alter your RAM voltage to run the sticks @ default timings i wouldn't of thought.....

have you read through the stickies in this sub section..

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