Are you ready for the 2nd great Depression?

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i tell you what really pisses me off about these chav idiots....

i work a low payed job & my missus works in a chippie 10hrs a week for a bit extra & the government give us NOTHING!!, yet some degenerate criminal can break the law countless times & be given a flat, a trade & every benefit under the sun (in the name of rehabilitation :sarc:)

not to mention his ghetto bird sitting pretty in her 3 bed house b/c he's got 3 kids & they also need to be supported by the good old tax payer :mad:

i've known hundreds of these types, & TBH there is NO rehabilitation, they repeat offend & breed like rabbits knowing the courts will be ''sympathetic'' :mad:

put Jeremy kyle in charge, all you'd hear from the house of commons is ....

GET A JOB


:)SK
 

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The UK is in a terrible state to cope with this downturn - entirely self inflicted.

There has been massive overspending over the past 10 years or - running down the reserves and putting future generations
in debt.

This creates the illusion of growth and gets the Government re- elected.

Crises like this are cyclical - there is always one coming - it is the fault of those in power that we are in such a bad state.

Personally I have lost out greatly.

To paraphrase Karl Marx - democrary won't work because the public are too stupid to vote sensibly. ( I'm not a Marxist - but he has a point there )

And Oscar Wilde - Never overestimate the intelligence of the audience.

I will say one thing for GB - he is the most successful manipulator of the public since the guy who started WWII.

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Thanks guys, this sorted out my Audio Driver problems hehehe

on a more serious note, politicians are people like you and me, as are the CEOs, though i'm guessing the CEOs are the problem, rather than the politicians... who can say no to a few million quid (bucks, kroner, euros, yen...), it's a rather powerful incentive i find...

would you say no to it? c",)

it's not right, i agree on that part c",) they "own" the media, so they will pacify the masses (us), by telling us we're up **** creek if they don't get our money to sort out the problems they put us in.

and partially i guess they're right... for a while...
 

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Am I ready? Not yet but I'm getting there. I have been saving up and looking on the best way to start living "Off the Grid". I think it is the way I need to start living. Most of of live in a society that has started to look at the Government to solve it's problems. I for one don't trust the Government to do what is in "my" best interest, therefore I need to take matters into my own hands.

I look at how my Grandparents live having been through a depression. They save the darnedest things, and don't waste what they can save. They have stuff for an emergency, and they live by there means.

I don't want to look to the government to pay me, feed me, and find me a place to live. If I wanted a socialist Government I would have voted for one... Instead I gave the US Air Force 7 years of my life to protect the rights and liberties we have fought so hard in the past to keep. But now the average person would rather give there rights away and let the Government make the choices for them. We have gotten lazy and complacent and it's going to come back to bite us.

I have read all our comments on this subject and it scares me to know that so many people from so many different places are saying the same thing. Right now it's at the back of our minds because we still have food, power, water, and the glow of our computers to keep us warm. What will we do when it is all gone and we could have prepared? Does this keep me up at nights? Not yet, but I'd rather be prepared than sorry.
 
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I have read all our comments on this subject and it scares me to know that so many people from so many different places are saying the same thing. Right now it's at the back of our minds because we still have food, power, water, and the glow of our computers to keep us warm. What will we do when it is all gone and we could have prepared? Does this keep me up at nights? Not yet, but I'd rather be prepared than sorry.

Well, we are all different. I have a basic positive approach. I am ready for good things to happen, but if the s**t hits the fan, I will fix it, as in the past. If I get unemployed in the midst of a depression, I am still better off than my grand grand grand grand grandfather, I am sure. And with a far better education. That's it.
 

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did you all know that Gordon brown sold ''half'' our gold reserves to china at ''half price'' just before this rescission hit us...:( what a total ''BELL END''

now its worth far over normal price, let alone half..:mad:

& now the country sinks further into depression, more made unemployed, more benefit payouts.....WE NEED THAT RESERVE RIGHTNOW!! our country will bleed itself dry by next year if things dont change

i love England's heriatige, but the ppl at the top need shooting.




:)SK

Everytime I read/hear something about Gordon Brown, I hate him even more.
 

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Well, we are all different. I have a basic positive approach. I am ready for good things to happen, but if the s**t hits the fan, I will fix it, as in the past. If I get unemployed in the midst of a depression, I am still better off than my grand grand grand grand grandfather, I am sure. And with a far better education. That's it.

I hope and pray that there are many more people like you out there. Trying to make things better is all we really need. It's when people stop wanting to work and expect a handout that we get ourselves in a bad situation.
I hope Obama is as good as everyone seems to think he is. I hope he doesn't turn into a party puppet like Bush was. But who knows? I also hope our education these days can help us when and if the crap hits the fan. But if it comes to the worst of it I hope education can teach people to hunt and fish. :p
I know my education and training is helping me prepair for living off the grid if I need or choose to. Nothing helps more than a background in electrical engineering.

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I know my education and training is helping me prepare for living off the grid if I need or choose to. Nothing helps more than a background in electrical engineering.

Jayson

i hope that was intentionally ironic c",)


Yes and know. Be and my brother are putting together a Hydro, Solar, and Wind power generation system that will feed 48 lead acid batteries. By off the grid I mean I will provide myself and family with the power we need instead of having to rely on conventional power. I don't take "Off the Grid" as meaning I eat raw meat and save my crap in a bucket. I plan on living somewhat in comfort. I guess it is a hobby and way of life. Just hope it all works because it can, and not because it has to.
The only thing the government really has over any of us anymore is the connection to the power, and if I don't need there power, I don't need them. But that is another story all together.
 

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When The American Motor Companies go into chapter 11 restructuring, trickling down to hundreds of thousands of jobs lost either directly or indirectly, and then snowballing worldwide, on top of the wasted 800 Billion dollar "bailout" that is having absolutely no effect on the current financial meltdown, will a panic arise? Is it time to start stock pilling Canned goods? What do you think? Are you ready?

No one is buying cars in this economic meltdown, do we just keep throwing money at the auto makers to keep them afloat? When does the bleeding stop?

Update: January, 2009
GM Faltering, asking for more Government Help-
General Motors is seeking more assistance from Washington, this time in the form of a tax break. The automaker may have to pay up to $7 billion in income taxes, stemming from stipulations of a $13.4 billion loan from the federal government. At the root of the issue is the company's plan to mete out its remaining stock to debt holders, the United Auto Workers union, and the federal government, in effect reducing its debt to $33.5 billion from $62 billion. In the past, the government has limited this type of transaction; however, doing so this time around impede "the government's effort to keep GM afloat," the WSJ says.
GM lobbied Congress to add a provision to the new $819 billion stimulus bill that would wipe out its tax liability, but the bill passed through the House Wednesday without the provision.

Together, the Big Three employ 239,000 workers in the United States. Counting other businesses that depend on the automakers, economists estimate that 2.5 million jobs would be lost if all three went out of business.

Sharpest decline in economy in 26 years. The US GNP declined 3.8% in just the last few months of 2008
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/30/news/economy/gdp/index.htm
The end result of the global economic slowdown may be the U.S. announcing national bankruptcy as the government cannot afford the bailouts that it promised and the market will not bail out the government, Martin Hennecke, senior manager of private clients at Hong Kong-based Tyche, told CNBC on Thursday.
“We expect a depression in the United States. We expect a depression, very possibly, also in Europe,” Hennecke said on “Worldwide Exchange.”
Hennecke, who previously worked as an investment adviser at Hong Kong’s Bridgewater Ltd. and is a frequent guest on CNBC and Bloomberg Television, explained:
The estimated $300 billion cost of the Fannie/Freddie bailout will probably be considered as a loss that the government will have to take, therefore passing it on to taxpayers, he explained.
“We already have $3 trillion of debt, as far as the U.S. government is concerned. These debt figures across the U.S. economy are rising very sharply.”
When the government can no longer pass the United States’ “immense debt” on to taxpayers, it will turn to the holders of U.S. dollars, leading to the eventual downfall of the currency, Hennecke said.
“Definitely, it (the dollar) is not a safe place to be invested in, as real inflation is closer to 10 or 11 percent than the actual inflation numbers given by the U.S. government,” Hennecke said on “Worldwide Exchange”.

For those in the States- Do you think the new stimulus bill will help you in the near future? think again...Most are long term programs and/or tax breaks that will not come into play for years.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/182762/page/1

Your tax dollars hard at work (2009 Trillion dollar Stimulus Bill)
1. The package commits $4.5 billion to a new electrical grid, which (says the White House) will help finance 3,000 miles of transmission lines and 40 million "smart meters."
2. "launches the most ambitious school modernization program on record,"
3. "computerizes every American's health record in five years"
4. "undertakes the largest weatherization"—insulation—"program in history."
5. $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
6. $20 million for "fish passage barriers" (a provision to pay for the removal of barriers in rivers and streams so that fish could migrate freely)
7. $1.7 million for pig odor research in Iowa;
8. $2 million 'for the promotion of astronomy' in Hawaii;
9. $6.6 million for termite research in New Orleans;
10.$2.1 million for the Center for Grape Genetics in New York

Also Includes 14 earmarks requested by lawmakers for projects sought by PMA Group, a lobbying company at the center of a federal corruption investigation.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that in fiscal 2009 (through this September) about 21 percent of the new spending and tax cuts would flow to the economy. For 2010, the estimate is an additional 44 percent. The total of 65 percent means that, by the CBO's estimate, about a third of the $819 billion package would be spent after fiscal 2010.
 
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i have heard damning theory's that this ''depression'' was instigated by world governments as an engine to bring forward the NWO or (new world order) agenda.

the prediction is this will get worse until they scrap the ''pound'' & the ''dollar''
the UK will go over to the ''Euro''...& the Americans will go over to the ''Amero''

the market crash was DELIBERATELY planned to bring in these changes.....:mad:


we will soon know, i guess.......



:)SK
 

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U.S. economy plummets | Reuters
2/27/09
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy suffered its deepest contraction since early 1982 in the fourth quarter, shrinking at a much worse-than-expected 6.2 percent annual rate as exports plunged and consumers slashed spending...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5965849/
"The slide in our economy is very severe and very broad across all industries and regions of the country," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "It is about as dark an economic time that we've experienced since the 1930s."

When the GDP drops 10% its "officially" a Depression...another 3.8% drop, and we have officially crossed the threshold into despair on a global scale.
 
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I dont think we are going into a great depression but we are in a resecion

Man, I HOPE you are correct. But it ain't gonna be government meddling nor YOUR money they are busily spending that is going to keep it from happening

It is interesting how this nonsense seems to be pervasive almost everywhere in the world.

In my opinion we ‘little people’ here on earth have become a bunch of ‘woosies’. A few hundred years ago any government entity who behaved with such blatant disregard would have been the public entertainment for the day at the guillotine. :party:

Here in ‘Amerika’, not too long ago the ‘buggers’ surely would have been hot-tarred and feathered before being taken out of town on a rail! ...Now, they ignore us and stomp upon anyone who dares to oppose them; labeling them as THEY themselves really are. [I think Lenin originally suggested that response]

I have an acquaintance in Belgium who was literally beside himself when the Messiah was anointed here. He warned that America would soon be like it is over there… Socialism running rampant, immigrants running amok over the natives, and the government in its paranoid state of mind, taking arms and ammunition from law abiding members of society. I believe him to be correct.

When a country is down on its knees the bullies from both abroad and within will pounce on the helpless sheep and have their way with them. “Stupid is as Stupid does”:o

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this will get worse & worse ppl......

30 odd states in America are now declaring ''sovereignty'' in light of the EU gun laws which are about to be shipped over there....

they WILL NOT give up their weapons, & civil war will commence....:(

the US are already training their armed forces in IOWA for ''Marshall law enforcement''

our economy's will continue to plummet, until the EU ''apparently'' steps in to save us :sarc: & we move over to the euro & loose the pound....

America, Canada & Mexico WILL follow suit, then the EU will step in & give these countries the ''Amero'' rather than the ''dollar'', thus joining all countries on the financial level..... in preparation for what has become known as ''NWO, the new world order'' :mad:


make no mistake ppl, what is happening at the moment WAS PLANNED that way, they want anarchy to begin so they can step in & bring ''order from chaos''


problem, reaction, solution ..... this is the code they use to bring about global change & they use it to DEVASTATING effect for the general public.....

good luck to us all.......





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hmmmmm i think everyone knows my opinion on this.....
 

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The following was an article that appeared in October 2008 - Brown has definitely 'saved the world' - but only in his meglomaniacal mind.

Bretton Woods II: Will a New Financial-World Order Solve the Economic Crisis?

Posted on date: Oct 20, 2008
By J.D. Seagraves


On October 13, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called for a new-world financial order. “We must create a new international financial architecture for the global age,” Brown said. “We must have a new Bretton Woods.” Brown’s statement echoed the sentiments of French and EU president Nicolas Sarkozy, who on September 26 said, “We must rethink the financial system from scratch, as at Bretton Woods.”
So is a new “Bretton Woods” a good idea? Before we can answer that question, we need to take a look at the original Bretton Woods System, which was the world’s first fully negotiated international monetary order. What inspired global leaders to create it, and what ultimately led to its demise?
The Monetary Role of Gold
By 1900, most Western European nations had evolved from centrally planned monarchies to pseudo-capitalist republics. This resulted in the heyday of the International Gold Standard, in which market economies of the West engaged in relatively free trade, facilitated by the ultimate global currency of gold.
Gold, according to Austrian economist Carl Menger, emerged as money millennia ago. In fact, gold’s monetary nature predates the existence of the nation-state. It is “real money” in the sense that no one has to be forced to accept it: they do so willingly. And thus, gold presents a problem for nation-state governments—they can’t manipulate it as easily as paper money.
True, nation-states dating back to the Roman Empire and before have attempted to make money a state institution through the implementation of “monetary policy.” The chief tactics of these ancient states were coin clipping and debasement (mixing cheap alloys in with gold) and forcing people under “legal tender” laws to accept devalued coins at full face value. These monetary tricks ultimately led to the ruination of numerous empires throughout history, with the Romans being neither the first nor the last.

Citizen Economists*»*Bretton Woods II: Will A New Financial-World Order Solve The Economic Crisis?
 

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this will get worse & worse ppl......

30 odd states in America are now declaring ''sovereignty'' in light of the EU gun laws which are about to be shipped over there....

they WILL NOT give up their weapons, & civil war will commence....:(

the US are already training their armed forces in IOWA for ''Marshall law enforcement''

our economy's will continue to plummet, until the EU ''apparently'' steps in to save us :sarc: & we move over to the euro & loose the pound....

America, Canada & Mexico WILL follow suit, then the EU will step in & give these countries the ''Amero'' rather than the ''dollar'', thus joining all countries on the financial level..... in preparation for what has become known as ''NWO, the new world order'' :mad:


make no mistake ppl, what is happening at the moment WAS PLANNED that way, they want anarchy to begin so they can step in & bring ''order from chaos''


problem, reaction, solution ..... this is the code they use to bring about global change & they use it to DEVASTATING effect for the general public.....

good luck to us all.......

:)SK

"BINGO!", MY friend... The final solution is to make a profit in something everyone is going to need:

s-CreekPaddles.jpg


[...or was that something the government already bought with the bail- out $$?]:zip:
 
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this will get worse & worse ppl......

30 odd states in America are now declaring ''sovereignty'' in light of the EU gun laws which are about to be shipped over there....

they WILL NOT give up their weapons, & civil war will commence....:(

the US are already training their armed forces in IOWA for ''Marshall law enforcement''

our economy's will continue to plummet, until the EU ''apparently'' steps in to save us :sarc: & we move over to the euro & loose the pound....

America, Canada & Mexico WILL follow suit, then the EU will step in & give these countries the ''Amero'' rather than the ''dollar'', thus joining all countries on the financial level..... in preparation for what has become known as ''NWO, the new world order'' :mad:


make no mistake ppl, what is happening at the moment WAS PLANNED that way, they want anarchy to begin so they can step in & bring ''order from chaos''


problem, reaction, solution ..... this is the code they use to bring about global change & they use it to DEVASTATING effect for the general public.....

good luck to us all.......

:)SK

"BINGO!", MY friend... The final solution is to make a profit in something everyone is going to need:

s-CreekPaddles.jpg


[...or was that something the government already bought with the bail- out $$?]:zip:
lol:cool:
 

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