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Clean then Defrag OR Defrag then Clean

mitchellb

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#1
I was wondering what should be done first.

I use CCleaner and recently downloaded Defraggler (but have not used it because of this question).

Should I run CCleaner and THEN run Defraggler?

OR

Run Defraggler and THEN run CCleaner?

I've thought about just using CCleaner only and no defragging.
 

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ilikefree

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#2
Clean first and if you are going to use Defraggler you will need to go to Task Schedular and click on defrag.properties and uncheck the enable box as you don't want 2 defraggers running. It is turned on by default
 

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richc46

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#4
You want to limit the defrags, so you will not wear out the hard drive. Here are some additional pointers.
To maintain your computer

10 Tips on How to Properly Maintain Your Computer

Steps that I did not notice on the guide include:

Running a scan disc before doing a defrag

Using Microsoft Security Essentials and Malwarebytes.

Making System Restore points, at least once a week

Makaing a system Image once a month (varies by user)

Not relying on your A/V common sense, should prevail. You know of many sites can cause a problem.

Do not use any reg cleaning or optimizing software.

Download and use Ccleaner about once every two months. Untick any registry entries.
http://www.piriform.com/

If you follow these instructions, you will be trouble free for a long time to come.

Be sure to back up your hard drive about once a month (varies by user) and to keeep system restore points up to date.

Optimize Windows 7
 

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ilikefree

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#5
I know, I have disabled/turned off Windows Defrag program long ago. Thanks.
Just checking as a lot of people forget that part.;)
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Thinkpad T400
    CPU
    Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo P8700 @ 2.53GHz
    Motherboard
    LENOVO 64734VM
    Memory
    2.00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 531MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family
    Sound Card
    Conexant 20561 SmartAudio HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15 inch
    Screen Resolution
    1280 x 800
    Hard Drives
    1x 180GB Intel 530 series SSD
    1 x 120GB Hitachi 5400rmp
    1 x 650GB Western Digital Elements 5400rpm
    1x 1Tb Western Digital Elements 5400rpm
    Internet Speed
    Medium for New Zealand
    Other Info
    Weakest part of my computer is the graphics chipset.
    Only ever used a laptop.
    Also use USB Freeview TV Card
    Lenovo Docking Station
    External Speakers
    Other bits a pieces as needed

MilesAhead

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#6
I set CCleaner to empty the recycle bin. I clean just before defrag, and also right before doing MalwareBytes scans. It's a pain if MalwareBytes finds something it doesn't like in the recycle bin. You can close MalwareBytes, empty the recycle bin, then run the scan again but it's just a nuisance if you know for sure what the stuff in the recycle bin is(for example if you do scripting programming those are often false flagged as a malware.)

This way I only have to remember to run CCleaner immediately before these other tasks.
 

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    750 GB SATA 3G
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mitchellb

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#7
So I ran the Defraggler program. When it first analyzed my hard drive it said 12% fragmentation. I click to defrag. Once it was done. Just for curiousity, I had it re-analyze my hard drive and then it said it there was 28% fragmentation. I did not continue with another defrag.

But why would fragmentation go up?

I probably should be asking the programs website and not this forum.
 
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richc46

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#8
This could happen when going from one defrag software to another. They analzye differently. If that is the situation, I would defrag once more, it should go to zero. Then only when needed.
 

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derekimo

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#9
So I ran the Defraggler program. When it first analyzed my hard drive it said 12% fragmentation. I click to defrag. Once it was done. Just for curiousity, I had it re-analyze my hard drive and then it said it there was 28% fragmentation. I did not continue with another defrag.

But why would fragmentation go up?

I probably should be asking the programs website and not this forum.
I seem to remember something like this happening to me as well, is it system volume information that's not defragging?

I'm using Auslogics now and I don't get that anymore.
 

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    Asrock P67 Extreme4
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    16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (4x4GB)
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    EVGA GeForce 750 Ti SC 2GB
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    ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound
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    auria eq2367
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    1920 x 1080
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    250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD
    1TB WD Blue
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    SeaSonic X 650W 80 Plus Gold
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    Corsair Obsidian 750D
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    Corsair H60, Three 140mm case fans
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    Logitech Wireless Mouse M310
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    Wave Broadband ~ 100 down 5 Up
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    Laptop specs: HP g7-1365dx /
    CPU: AMD A6-3420M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics /
    RAM: Crucial 8Gb (2x4Gb) /
    SSD: Crucial M4-CT128M4SSD2 ATA Device/ FW 000F /
    GFX: AMD Radeon HD 6520G /
    OS: Windows 10 Pro x64

mitchellb

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So I ran the Defraggler program. When it first analyzed my hard drive it said 12% fragmentation. I click to defrag. Once it was done. Just for curiousity, I had it re-analyze my hard drive and then it said it there was 28% fragmentation. I did not continue with another defrag.

But why would fragmentation go up?

I probably should be asking the programs website and not this forum.
I seem to remember something like this happening to me as well, is it system volume information that's not defragging?

I'm using Auslogics now and I don't get that anymore.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't know if it is system volume information.

Care to elaborate?
 

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richc46

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#12
Even if my analysis is wrong, and I dont think that it is, you need a defrag, 28% is too high. After you are done stay with Defraggler is that is what you used.
 

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    Dell SP2009W 20 inch Flat Panel w Webcam
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ilikefree

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Quote from Derekimo
I seem to remember something like this happening to me as well, is it system volume information that's not defragging?

I'm using Auslogics now and I don't get that anymore.

Thanks cost nothing so I just switched from Defraggler to Auslogics
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Thinkpad T400
    CPU
    Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo P8700 @ 2.53GHz
    Motherboard
    LENOVO 64734VM
    Memory
    2.00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 531MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family
    Sound Card
    Conexant 20561 SmartAudio HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15 inch
    Screen Resolution
    1280 x 800
    Hard Drives
    1x 180GB Intel 530 series SSD
    1 x 120GB Hitachi 5400rmp
    1 x 650GB Western Digital Elements 5400rpm
    1x 1Tb Western Digital Elements 5400rpm
    Internet Speed
    Medium for New Zealand
    Other Info
    Weakest part of my computer is the graphics chipset.
    Only ever used a laptop.
    Also use USB Freeview TV Card
    Lenovo Docking Station
    External Speakers
    Other bits a pieces as needed

derekimo

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So I ran the Defraggler program. When it first analyzed my hard drive it said 12% fragmentation. I click to defrag. Once it was done. Just for curiousity, I had it re-analyze my hard drive and then it said it there was 28% fragmentation. I did not continue with another defrag.

But why would fragmentation go up?

I probably should be asking the programs website and not this forum.
I seem to remember something like this happening to me as well, is it system volume information that's not defragging?

I'm using Auslogics now and I don't get that anymore.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't know if it is system volume information.

Care to elaborate?
Sure, after you click analyze and it tells you how much is fragmented, click the view files button, and it will list them for you.
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Self Built
    CPU
    Intel I5-2500K @3.3GHz
    Motherboard
    Asrock P67 Extreme4
    Memory
    16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (4x4GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA GeForce 750 Ti SC 2GB
    Sound Card
    ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    auria eq2367
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    250GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD
    1TB WD Blue
    1TB Hitachi
    PSU
    SeaSonic X 650W 80 Plus Gold
    Case
    Corsair Obsidian 750D
    Cooling
    Corsair H60, Three 140mm case fans
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless Mouse M310
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wireless Keyboard K520
    Internet Speed
    Wave Broadband ~ 100 down 5 Up
    Other Info
    Laptop specs: HP g7-1365dx /
    CPU: AMD A6-3420M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics /
    RAM: Crucial 8Gb (2x4Gb) /
    SSD: Crucial M4-CT128M4SSD2 ATA Device/ FW 000F /
    GFX: AMD Radeon HD 6520G /
    OS: Windows 10 Pro x64

richc46

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#15
If it makes any difference I use auslogics, too and am very satisfied. It seems to defrag a lot faster than the others.
 

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    Memory
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    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD3650 256 MB
    Sound Card
    Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell SP2009W 20 inch Flat Panel w Webcam
    Hard Drives
    640 gb
    Cooling
    Fan
    Mouse
    Dell USB 4 button optical
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    Dell USB
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    DSL provided by ATT

MilesAhead

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#16
If it makes any difference I use auslogics, too and am very satisfied. It seems to defrag a lot faster than the others.
Puran is pretty comparable to Auslogics. Also when you do analyze or actually defrag it produces an html table with the fragmented files, folders, MFTs etc.

Sometimes if I have a fresh image backup I'll turn off System Restore to delete all the shadow copies, do the defrag with all optimizations on in Puran, then turn System Restore back on and make a restore point. That method dumps all the backup copies of files and other bloat you can be collecting. I image often so it's not that risky a procedure. Also cleaning off all the crud first tends to make for smaller restore points.
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion m9515y
    CPU
    Phenom X4 9850
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Some Radeon Cheapie with 512 MB Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    CRT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    750 GB SATA 3G
    2 SIIG Superspeed docks w/WD Caviar Black Sata II or III

ilikefree

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#17
That's an excellent idea. I just remove them with the tools in properties but it always leaves the last one. Does turning it off remove that last one as well?
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo Thinkpad T400
    CPU
    Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo P8700 @ 2.53GHz
    Motherboard
    LENOVO 64734VM
    Memory
    2.00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 531MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family
    Sound Card
    Conexant 20561 SmartAudio HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15 inch
    Screen Resolution
    1280 x 800
    Hard Drives
    1x 180GB Intel 530 series SSD
    1 x 120GB Hitachi 5400rmp
    1 x 650GB Western Digital Elements 5400rpm
    1x 1Tb Western Digital Elements 5400rpm
    Internet Speed
    Medium for New Zealand
    Other Info
    Weakest part of my computer is the graphics chipset.
    Only ever used a laptop.
    Also use USB Freeview TV Card
    Lenovo Docking Station
    External Speakers
    Other bits a pieces as needed

mitchellb

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#18
I seem to remember something like this happening to me as well, is it system volume information that's not defragging?

I'm using Auslogics now and I don't get that anymore.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't know if it is system volume information.

Care to elaborate?
Sure, after you click analyze and it tells you how much is fragmented, click the view files button, and it will list them for you.

Ahhh I see, I viewed the files after a 2nd attempt to defrag (as suggested by rich) and the top 2 fragmented files show system volume information.

Fragmentation is still at 28%.

Should I be concerned and download Auslogics and run a 3rd attempt to defrag my hard drive.

I have provided pictures.
 

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richc46

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#19
System Volume Information, basically are system restore points. If defragged SR will be lost. They are, therefore, now protected from defrag by most software.
You are ok. Just enjoy, now.
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
    Dell XPS420
    Memory
    6 gig
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD3650 256 MB
    Sound Card
    Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell SP2009W 20 inch Flat Panel w Webcam
    Hard Drives
    640 gb
    Cooling
    Fan
    Mouse
    Dell USB 4 button optical
    Keyboard
    Dell USB
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