I've lost the plot - what do you think?

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do you know me? Do you know who i'm? What part do i play in all this? When will i awake? Will i awake? Should i awake? I feel it in me, but i'm afraid to let it out? Help me!




Do i "know" you, as the individuated human expression typing to me over cyberspace? No, i do not.

What part do you play in all this?

What part do you want to play? The choice, as always, is entirely yours. Whether you are consciously aware of it or not, you are co-creating the storyline on this planet. My advice, would be to do so consciously.

When will you awake?

When do you want to awake? Do you want to awake at all? If your answer to this question is "yes", then use the catalyst and tools we have provided for you. I have made many subtle, not so subtle, and even overtly blatant statements within this topic, as to how you may choose to do this.

"i feel it in me, but i'm afraid to let it out? Help me!"

why are you afraid? Do not reply to that question, but rather, ask it to yourself, during your quiet time, where you work upon yourself. You do work upon yourself, don't you? If not, now would be a good time to start. Sit in silence. Switch off all non essential electrical appliances. Eg; leaving the refrigerator on, would probably be a good idea.
(the electromagnetic field they create disturbs your brainwave patterns, and makes it difficult for your mind to achieve the deeper alpha and theta states conducive with relaxing deeply and hearing your inner voice).

Ask your infinite creator to help you. Thank her, because you know that he will.

Be honest with yourself. Why are you afraid?
Remember that this is a game that you are playing, and that it is not reality.
When you find, and come to know your creator living within you, you will know that there is nothing to fear.

Be the strong and courageous soul that deep down, you know yourself to be. Do not hide your inner light. Trust yourself, and shine your light into the darkness.

We ask our one infinite creator to guide you, and illuminate your path.


Are the ptb focusing on creating a negative point in the universe to upset the balance of our universe?



No.



Was the 911 ritual the creation of a star gate?




No, it was a ritual human sacrifice. That, and the obvious catalyst for the so called "war on terror".


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So could the predictions of federation of light's "goodchild" could have been true in a sense instead of a ufo or our understanding of a ufo could be light bearers influencing mankind ascend / descend to a higher/lower vibration status?



She has a good heart. She just tuned into the "wrong channel" and listened to the wrong programme. I mentioned before, that if one does not exercise the appropriate protection, and discernment, what was initially a positive channel can very easily become unknowingly corrupted by a negative one. When they start giving you dates and times, you know that something is amiss. Giving dates and times that are not going to come to pass, succeeds in putting out the light of the 'channeller's message, by destroying the credibility of the messenger.




Is the creation of fear, terror, horror and suffering by your kind to create loosh emotions for feeding at the time of harvest?



No.



Are the bloodlines that have been infused with the ancient wisdoms trying to become god’s themselves?



There is no need to try. Humanity needs to grow beyond the stagnating concept of "gods". The idea of "god" takes the power out of your own hands, and places it upon some shadowy unknown figure, somewhere "out there". In other words, outside of yourself. Instead of "god", see "creator".
So, there is no need to "try".
We already are creators. And so are you. The only question is, will you create consciously, or sub-counsciously?





What is 11.11?




Think of it as an alarm clock. What are alarm clocks for?





Please explain how new born babies are infused with spirits after birth.




They are not. A soul enters into it's physical container usually long before the birthing process, sometimes later, but still before the actual birth..




Does a website like this serve the purpose of negative generating?




That depends upon how you use it. It has the potential to be either negative or positive.

It is up to you how you use the potential.


What is wrong with having an ego and why do the new age religions try to suppress the ego? Without an ego is seems as though one can't ponder his own existence. Or in fact learn from the wealth of knowledge that we are searching for in making mistakes and correcting those mistakes.




There is nothing "wrong" with having an ego.

Your ego is an excellent and invaluable tool. Yet, as with any tool, if you do not have it under control, it carries the potential to become dangerous, and do you and others much harm.




H.h. Strangely, my concern is that i will be recycled back onto the wheel of life and be reborn with a new brain and lose everything i have so arduously learned in this life time.



Your soul remembers everything you've ever experienced. The only reason you don't remember it all now, is due to what we term the "veil of forgetfulness". If you came into each new incarnation with access to your soul memory, there's no point in your coming into space/time. It would be like playing a computer game with all the cheats. You wouldn't learn anything, and it takes the fun out of playing the game. Remember that this current physical body you carry around with you, is not who you are. It's just the vessel for your essence. Who you are, is real, and cannot be destroyed. You will retain all your memories of this life experience once you pass onto the realm of time/space, or that which some call "heaven". Space/time is illusion, time/space is real. That infinite being living within and around your "body", namely your soul, is who you really are. The part of you that thinks, and feels, and loves. It will always be a part of you.


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My dream is to be a master such as yourself.



I am not a master. I am a growing and evolving soul, just as you are. We're just at different stages of our development. You will get to where you desire to be. It takes time and patience. Be sure to make time to enjoy the journey.




I endeavor each day to master myself and change. To develop a mind that has mastery over my body. I feel i have come so far in this life time and yet not far enough.



You are on the right path, in that you are consciously choosing to work upon yourself. Many there are in this world, who are not even aware of such a concept. Remember though, that it is not only the mind you must develop, but also your soul. Work with your feelings as well as your thoughts. Cultivate compassion (as that is the main thing you will begin working with in 4th density). See yourself within all "others", and treat "others" as you would like to be treated yourself. Then remember this one crucial thing:

There are no "others".




My dream is to one day personally meet great masters like yourself and learn what you know.



Then here is what you must do:

Go and find yourself a mirror. Gaze deeply into it, and then say this magic word:

"hello".


And you will indeed meet with us, back stage, once the game is over. When you see us "out of costume" you will recognize us as your age old friends.



Thank you for coming here and sharing your vast knowledge of the universe. I have much to ponder.



You are welcome. Thank you for your questions. I feel the desire within you to progress. You have it within yourself, to be all that you wish to become, and much more that you cannot yet even imagine.

We look forward to sitting down for a good old reminisce with you on the other side. In the meantime, keep trusting in, and working upon yourself, and live each moment in thanksgiving, to our one infinite creator.

May our infinite creator bless and guide your path.




Honored sir (or madam)
i wish to be the one to bring a new planetary energy system to the world. As it is assumed that the "families" have great knowledge, i humbly request access to this small bit of needed information.
A u2u message to set up a more secure route of communication would be splendid, i presume.
I am aware i can never be a "member", but "acolyte" would suffice.
I am also aware a trade off would be in the offing, and discussions of such would be held with respect, though not with guaranteed acceptance.

I await your reply.




I am sorry, that this is not possible. One is born into the family, and raised in a very specific and rigorous way, which engenders unwavering loyalty. No matter how keen and sincere one may be to "join" us, we can only place our trust in those raised in our ways. I would not wish the conditioning process we go through on anyone, it can be grueling at times, and it is too late to begin the process once childhood has passed.

As for further communication, unfortunately this is also not possible or allowable for me.

I have given as much information as is permissible for me, during this discourse. There are many informational "gems" within these pages, for those who truly seek to develop themselves. Some are obvious, others are more subtle and multi-layered. Take them "within", and ask your infinite creator to bring you insight.

We wish you well upon your journey, and look forward to seeing you at the "aftershow" party.



I'm still not clear on what this harvest is. A "harvest" means to reap what has been sown - by you!



Not by us. We did not sow, our infinite creator did. We do not reap, our infinite creator does.

We help to prepare the harvest, by separating the wheat from the chaff, for want of a more eloquent metaphor.




Will it be an instantaneous change, of which there will no longer exist the physical realm as we currently know it to be and are experiencing as an "illusion"?


I have already covered this elsewhere in the topic. I would encourage you to read through again, and find the information i have already presented on how the harvest will occur, and what the different variations of experience will be.




Thank you for answering my previous questions. I have some more, if that's ok?

1. How can karma be overcome, if at all? Is there an end to the karmic cycle?
2. Is time really as we perceive it, or is it another 3d illusion?
3. Are your family members born with the knowledge of what they are and where they're from? If not, and it's all taught and passed down, have you ever doubted or questioned any of it?

Thanks.




You are welcome.

1). No, karma cannot be 'overcome', it must be 'worked off'. In other words, if you've hurt someone, be it physically, emotionally, or however else, you will have to, at some future point, experience what that felt like for them. The law of karmic effect is not a 'punishment', it is a tool of learning, which is set in place to promote personal growth and development. If you have to feel the consequences of your actions, there is a higher likelihood of your choosing a different course, the next time around. It is also important to hold in mind that it works both ways. Seek therefore to ensure that the effect of your presence upon those 'others' whom you encounter upon your journey, are positive and beneficial.

1b). A karmic cycle is brought to completion once you have learned the lessons intended for you from it. If you keep repeating the same mistakes, you'll keep cycling until such a time as you get the message, and break the cycle. But yes, ultimately, all of us will learn that which we need to learn, and all of us will find our way home. For some, it just takes longer than others.

2). Linear time is more accurately described as an intentional fabrication. The true nature of time, is cyclical. Though, remember also, that even cyclical time, is part of creation, and creation, beautiful as it may be, is also an illusion, or more accurately, a thought-form of our infinite creator. Creation is not real, but the creator and co-creators of it, are.



Continuing...


3). This is an excellent question. I will devote some time to it:

Firstly, there is a distinction to be made. When i speak of family in this particular reply, i am referring to the power lines, ie; those that do not originate from this planet. The bloodlines that you know of, whilst they are a part of our extended family, are not born with the same extent of (spiritual/esoteric) power that we are, and in this response, i am referring to our true and pure family. We are not born with the same veil of forgetfulness as you are. The veil is still in place, but would be most accurately described as being somewhat "thinner". We see the "invisible" connections of life which are hidden from you, because we retain access to more than just the 3rd density perspective. Not dissimilar to the manner in which some people can see what you call auras.this is because you are working your way up, whereas we have chosen to step down, in order to help you. We could not do this as successfully if we had to forget all that we have learned. In other words, to you, everything "appears" as being "separate". We see that this is not the case. We do not have 'direct' soul memory, as in the manner that you remember what you did yesterday, but we may access any portion of our soul memory we so chose when we focus upon it, often in a meditative state. Personally, my experiences are different again, in other ways, due to my specialty in the spiritual disciplines. But i will go into that in more detail later, in response to another question.

Yes, information is indeed passed down, though unlike for yourselves, any one of us may, with some effort, check the validity of that information from our personal and group soul memory.
Basically, where you see yourselves as "separate" human beings, we see and know, that we are one.



Then i am glad i picked up on that particular point. I found it to be a real ray of light. Though, i'm unsure what to do with it. This information feels as though it should comfort me, and yet it's difficult to feel comfortable knowing that 'evil', in part, makes us who we are. But thank you nonetheless.



"evil" is not who you are. It is part of the complex series of illusions, that you use in 3rd density, to show you who you are not. The further up through the densities you work, the less polarity plays an important part in the game. The sixth density, the density of unity, is the last level that polarity is a factor, but even then, it factors in a very different way. Instead of balancing positive / negative, you will be balancing love / light, compassion / wisdom.





True, and i'm glad you pointed that out to me. I think what i really meant when i said you are "alleviated" is that your very essence is not 'evil' or corrupt. And this alleviates you from my perspective because i'd forged an idea of the ruling elite as being comprised of terminally corrupted souls.




No soul is terminally corrupted. Every soul is a beautiful individuated portion of our one infinite creator. Souls play characters in the game of incarnation. Souls can play some really mean and nasty characters, but underneath the disguise, they will always be beautiful. Remember this, everytime one of these beautiful souls 'mistreats' you as a part of their storyline. They're just playing their part, like any good actor does whilst on stage. Be thankful to them for their sacrifice, and learn the lessons they are bringing to you.



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I have learned an enormous amount from this discussion. Like you say, it is the message, not the messenger that counts, so thank you.



I am glad, as this means that my time spent was worthwhile. And you are very welcome.



You say we all mingle between incarnations but i suspect the nature of our perception and interaction in that realm is not comparable to our earthly methods of interaction and therefore, as a united entity there'll be no independent 'laughter' . I have a few (what i feel are probably final) questions for you:



Not so. Think in terms of individuated souls, who can see and understand that they are not separate, but interconnected. It is an illusion, that "space" is "empty". You will still interact as an individual, yet at the same time, you will see how we are all one. It is difficult to explain in a way that makes 3rd density sense. We just do not have the words or concepts to describe it.

We no longer need words where we are going.




1) how do you know all this? And i really mean know. Clearly you have been taught in great depth about the nature of existence. But how do you know this first hand? How is it more than faith for you? Have you been able to avoid 'forgetting' upon reincarnation?




I have made reference to this, in my answer to the previous poster.




2) you seem to be suggesting that your methods of physical enslavement are intended to force us into spiritual awakening. But if that is so, why are methods of spiritual suppression used against the general populace (chemicals, organised religion, sociological)? I understand why you obstruct our material lives but not why you obstruct our spiritual development.



Think of it as a "test".

Have you ever noticed, how just when you 'think' you've found something that really "feels" like truth for you, something will come along to make you doubt it? To make you doubt the truth, and in so doing, to also doubt yourself in believing it?

It happens all the time, in fact, almost every time you have some new revelation that gets you all excited. And it happens, quite by design. You cannot see this however, as it's happening beyond 3rd density comprehension, in a realm where everything can be seen as adjoining and relating to everything else. Syncronicity. All a magical part of our infinite creator's ingenously creative mind, and excellent sense of humour and irony.

Can you see how the "test" works?

Just when you find something that you've weighed up and dissected with your discernment, and decided to integrate it into your concept of "truth", along comes the challenge to your newfound beliefs. Usually in the form of an event, or something that 'others' may say to disuede you.

Your spiritual development, like all other aspects of your progression, is something that you have to work for. How do you know if your newly discovered 'truth' is really true, if you're never tested on it.

The test, is this:

In the face of a challenge, who do you trust?

Do you trust what the "outside world" is showing you?

Or, do you hold fast to that which "feels" like truth, deep within you?

That is something you can only answer for yourself.

I am sorry i do not have the time left to respond to all of your questions, so i selected the ones i felt to be the most important.

I have enjoyed our communication cythraul, and am happy to have made your aquaintance.

Well, i must press on with more questions. I ask that our infinite creator bless and guide you on your path, and give you the courage of your convictions.

Be well friend, i look forward to meeting up with you when we've completed the game.


Continuing...




I have one more question for you if i may.

What question has not been asked as of yet that is most important for us to know if any? And if there is any would you consider it asked now? Not sure if this one does any good but it stuck in my mind last night.




An excellent, and incisive question to ask.

I think what i shall do, is to save this question, for the very end of our discourse.

It will be an effective way to bring our time together to a close.



Hidden_hand, i know you're trying to focus on spiritual questions and questions about the density shift. But if you could detract for a moment to answer my questions about shape shifting i'd appreciate it.



I will, but must be very brief, i am sorry.

Shapeshifting is not a "natural" phenomenon. "shapeshifting" creatures / races do not exist, at least certainly not in any realm, galaxy or density we have ever experienced.
However, there are certain rituals that when engaged in, enables this to take place.

It has to do with the fact that the body, as is true of all physical things, is not really solid. Sure, it looks and feels as if it is, but in actuality, all matter is composed of atomic and sub-atomic particles of light, within molecules and compounds. As i say, i'm being brief through necessity, and don't have time to go into the science.

There are certain rituals which when undertaken, allow for a range of 'manipulations' of the so-called 'solid' bodily mass to take place. I have seen some grotesque images in my time, which i really prefer not to dwell upon.

I trust that even if in some small way, this will have answered your query.

And this next question, i will have to finish on for tonight. I have somewhere i must be.



H_h, i wish to thank you for your enlightening words.
It has been an utmost pleasure of mine to read what you have spoken.

I do however have a couple of questions..

As i look into myself, i see (feel) as though i am an old soul who has learned many things and possibilities, how are we to know how far along we have come in regards to obtaining a higher spiritual being during the coming harvest?



You are most welcome. Appreciation is always appreciated.

I am unsure whether your question refers to now, or once the great harvest is accomplished, i've already touched on what happens after in a few replies.so i'll go with the former.

As for now, there is a simple method to check upon your progress.


Despite what "appears" to being going on in "the world at large", how loving and harmonious are your personal relationships?

Remember that the world, is your mirror. Casting back at you the reflection, of that which you have projected into it. How many arguments do you find yourself engaging in? Is there bitterness and acrimony within the ranks? Do you look at others, and think about how you would like to change them? Or, do you love them, and accept them as they are?

Loving and accepting someone, for who they are, is known as unconditional love. That is something you will spend much time working upon, when graduating into 4th density positive. It's a good idea to get a headstart. Now, loving and accepting someone as they are, does not mean accepting abusive behavior. But, it does mean loving and accepting the person (soul), not the soul's behavior. The behavior is not "who they are", the soul within, is who they are.

The quality of your relationships, is an excellent mirror, from which to gauge the quality of your output. Or, in other words, that which you are creating.


Continuing...


Do you look at a person, and concentrate to a greater or lesser extent, upon the things that you dislike about them and wish would change, or the qualities that you like and admire in them?

Remember that we have said, that all thought, word, and deed, is creative.

You get back exactly what you send out.

So, when you send out the thought "why is she so hard to live with? Why is he always behaving like this?

Ask yourself, what exactly are you doing?

Now focus here, as this is so obvious, you could miss it. And in fact, most do.

Take away the "question" from your sentence, and essentially, you are saying:

"she is so hard to live with". "he is always behaving like this".

Do you see what you are doing?

Remember, all thought is creative..

You have just created the very behaviour in that person, that you wish to change. Simply because you do not understand the law of radiation and attraction.

Now, try an experiment:

Take someone in your life, that you love, but sometimes have trouble getting along with.

Think, about the thoughts you have projected about that person. The negative thoughts. Ask yourself, does the behavior that you do not like in that person, in any way correspond to the thoughts you have been having about them? If you're honest with yourself, it's a strong bet that it does.

Sure, they must have behaved that way in the first place, to make you notice that you didn't like it, but, we all have off days sometimes. The more you focus on that behavior, the more you are going to see of it. It's just life, doing what it does, and conforming to your expectations about the way it will be for you.

Now, having recognized this, what will you do about it?

Simply notice your negative thoughts as they arise, literally, "catch yourself" as you are having them. And then, simply change your perspective. Focus instead, about the things you like about this person. How you love their smile, the sound of their happy laughter; the way they do such and such nice thing, how helpful and loving they can be. Keep putting those positive thoughts out. Persevere, as you may have a bit of negative work to undo first, but just keep catching yourself, and focusing on the positive..

Then prepare yourself for an "almost magical" transformation of your circumstances.


Always monitor your thoughts, and pay attention to their quality; because what you think about, is directly related to what you will see around you, and what life will show you. It is the difference between conscious, and subconscious creation.


And what of our loved ones, or more appropriately, my soul mate who i love dearly. Will i be able to take this new journey of the harvest alongside my loved ones?



That will depend upon whether or not you both graduate, or have to repeat the cycle. Though rest assured, even if for one lifetime you were to be apart, you will always be together in time/space (between incarnations) and you will be able to plan many future 'lives' (incarnations) together.



And one more thing as i know there are others who are longing for questions answered..

Why do we dream in metaphors which make no sense?



I do not have time left tonight to respond sufficiently, but the short version is that the universal mind speaks in archetypal imagery. In a similar way that the writing in some of our oriental languages uses a system whereby a collection of words or meanings are contained within what is essentially a 'symbol', so the universal mind uses archetypes to communicate in dreamtime. Just like understanding any new dialect, you just need to learn the language.


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Thank you so very much h_h, i strongly wish i may meet you someday and have a good talk.



You are very welcome, and it will happen as you wish.

Not now, in this lifetime, but soon, when we have finished playing this game together. No rush though friend, we've got all the time/space in the world. All the time/space in creation actually.


I must go now for tonight. I shall do my best to reply to as many of you as i possibly can do tomorrow, before i must take my leave.

Goodnight to you all. I ask that our infinite creator bless and watch over you.



This will be our last session together.

I will do my very best to pack in as much as we can.

I am sorry for those who must have missed my earlier post from yesterday which clearly stated that i already have more questions than i have time to answer, and that you have spent the time in writing our new ones. My time is so limited, i am unable to respond to you. I have a long journey i must make shortly, and cannot be late for it.



I have always been very confused and not clear on the subject of "god", having been tossed around from religion to religion from my parents it is hard to discern which "god" to believe or have faith in. Should i keep on having faith in the fact that the world around me is "god" and that there is not one particular being that deserves this faith?



Religion is either actually created, or at very least, heavily influenced by us. There is no such things as "god". "god" is a human concept, which is a misunderstanding of the original concept of "creator". This is further confused, as there are many macrocosmic level creators, or logos, as has been explained previously. "god" implies some separate entity which is 'outside' of you, which you must supplicate to and worship. Our one infinite creator, and almost all of our logos and sub-logos', do not want your worship. They want you to understand creation, and your place within it, as a co-creator. Ultimately, there is a "supreme being", in the form of the one infinite creator, but we are all a part of it, rather than it's subjects. None of the names given for this "supreme being" by your religions are the true name, but they are indeed correct, in that there is one supreme being, namely the infinite creator. They just have different concepts about it, which spring from the texts their religion is based upon.

Do not 'worship' your infinite creator, but rather live in a state of thanksgiving and service to it, for bringing you into being, and for this amazing game it has created, in which we may forget who we really are, in order to remember, and know ourself one again, as the creator.



So basically the form that we have is actually just a body with bones and skin and so on and so forth, what matters is our soul or being that is inside us that makes us question and deal with our surroundings and life, so when we "die" the pain and suffering is just part of our human shell, and has nothing to do with our soul or being which will carry on into the next life or density?



Indeed. 'pain' and 'suffering' are just aspects of the game. They feel extremely real whilst we are playing the game, and indeed they have to, in order to make you believe that the game is real. No-one really "dies". But rather, the 'matter' of human form is shed, much like the chrysalis of a caterpillar, when the butterfly emerges. Look upon physical incarnation as the chrysalis in which you may transform.


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I feel as though i am like shelby, but have lost my way, or i am just so confused and not in-tune with my inner-self that i can not figure out what is my purpose in this game. Is there anything you can shed upon this?



Your purpose in the game, is to work upon yourself. To grow, develop, and transform yourself into a more positive and loving being. You had certain goals that you planned to achieve before incarnating here, which is a main reason for the veil of forgetfulness being in place, because if you already knew what your goals were, the game would be too easy.

Look at the things in your life that you most love to do. Ask yourself what makes you most happy. Experience these things as often as possible, as they will be related to some of the things you chose to put into your soul contract to do here.

Also, look at the negative things, that often seem to recur during your lifetime. It will be highly likely that these are also things that you chose to come here to work upon. Let us say for example, that you chose to come here to work upon patience during this incarnation. You will likely find that you have a tendency towards impatience, and that life will often bring many experiences to you, in order to 'test' your patience. The idea being, that rather than losing your temper, you work upon your impatience, and resolve to become a more temperate and patient soul.

This same analogy may be applied to all manner of circumstances in which life will test you. Look for and begin to identify any recurring issues you have, that you perhaps struggle to deal with, and seem to present themselves to you, time and time again. Perhaps anger, being abusive, selfishness, hatred, cynicism, and the list goes on. Whenever you find recurring circumstances, it is because you are being presented with opportunity after opportunity, to work upon these issues, until you get it right, and choose a way of behavior that is more positive. Once you've successfully identified these issues within your life, worked upon them, and used them as the tools of transformation that they are, to improve the quality of your character, you will notice that these things seem to almost cease to appear in your life. You will still be presented with them at varying intervals, to check that you have not forgotten that which you have learned, but they will be fewer and far between.

I hope this may give you some clues as to how to identify the things you came here to do, and how to go about working upon yourself.


My life has been a troubled one for awhile now, having been so soaked and brainwashed into the human life form and way of life, but lately i feel as though i am starting to wake up and see things more clearly. Am i doomed because of the path i have taken for most of my life, or can i still save my "soul"?



You are not 'doomed', and your soul does not require 'salvation'. No-one's soul does. There is nothing to 'save' it from. It is good to hear that you are awakening, and that is another reason why i am here at this time, speaking with you. Our infinite creator has many messengers, and he uses us all in our own unique ways, to help with the awakening, and prepare as many as possible, for the coming great harvest.


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But as i say, you are not 'doomed', and there is nothing to save yourself from, except perhaps, from ignorance. And i do not mean that in an insulting way, but rather, ignorance as in a 'lack of understanding'. At the very worst, you will have to repeat as many 3rd density cycles as is necessary, in order for you to learn the things you need to learn, in order to progress and graduate to 4th density positive. But one thing is for sure, you will get there in the end. All will find their way home, to our infinite creator. Rest also assured, that you will not find yourself 'lost' in your cycling. At the end of each physical incarnation, as i've previously stated, you return to time/space, or that which has been described as "heaven", where you shall once again know yourself as you truly are, a unique and beautiful soul, and a part of our creator. You only forget who you are during incarnation. The object of the game, is to wake up within the 'dream', and in effect, become a 'lucid gamer'. To remember who you really are during the game, and to then begin working upon the things you came here for. Re-reading this topic, with discernment, will provide you with plenty of clues on how you may choose to go about this.



Thank you for your time here with us, and i wish you the best, it has been a pleasure speaking with you and listening to your knowledge.



We wish the same for you brother, and ask that our infinite creator bless you and guide your path. See you when we get home.



So, is the harvest an "all or nothing" event or will it be a mixed harvest—a few moving to fourth density, a few moving towards fourth density in service to self, the great majority repeating third density? And if only 94% go to fourth density negative, then you have to repeat 3rd density and try again for a 95% negative harvest? If so, then i would hate to imagine how much more negative your people would make the earth at that point.




I'm still confused about your part in this. In order for you to move on the 4th level, it must be a 95% negative harvest. In other words, to reward your people with 4th density, 95% of the human souls have to be (in the self-contemplation process) as far away from the "infinite source" as humanly possible. That just doesn't "feel" right to me.


It does not 'feel' right to you, as it is not right. You have not entirely grasped the concept. I shall attempt to clarify.


The harvest is mixed. Those who are 51% or over on the positive path will graduate to 4th density positive. There you will work upon love and compassion, and it will be a very beautiful world to reside within for you. There will be very little negativity. Just a small enough amount that you can still use it to exercise your free will in choosing who you are not, but it will be so much more obvious than it is here, that the negativity is a tool to be used. You will see the interconnectedness of all things, and you will know that you are not 'separate' from one another, or from life itself. You will not use words much, unless you choose to. Telepathy becomes the normal method of communication. Everything is open, and you cannot hide your thoughts from 'others'.


From that incarnation onwards, you will not have to experience 3rd density incarnation again, unless you later choose to do so from higher densities, as we have done, in order to perfect the art of service, or unless you somehow, in a 4th density world of abundant love and beauty, inextricably manage to be 95% negative at a time of future harvest, and slide back down the snake, instead of ascending up the ladder, to use another 'game' metaphor.


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Back to 'this' current great harvest, we do not require a 95% negative harvest, as you have deducted. Instead, what we require, is for us to personally attain a 95% negative polarity for ourselves, not for you. We must be 95% negative (at least), in order to graduate to 4th density negative, and earn the opportunity to clear our karmic record, of all the negativity we have created on this planet, before returning to our rightful place as 6th density guardians of our galaxy, and teachers of wisdom to those in lower densities that ask for our assistance. If we do not make it, we will remain trapped in the 3rd density cycle with all those between 94% negative and 50% positive (what i termed 'luke-warm's'), and have to continue to provide negative polarity for you. Harsh as it is, our only way out, is to be as negative as possible, to graduate. We cannot choose to be positive, because that is not what we came here to do for you. That's why i often have referred to all the horrible things we've done here, as our sacrifice.



You said that the "lukewarm people" at the time of harvest would not notice anything has happened, but they'd be on a different planet. Do you mean that they'd wake up with no memory of what has occurred but still be in the same physical body, or they'd wake up in a new physical body with no memory of any past life?



There will be a short experience of 'zero-point time', where you feel utterly "at one" with your infinite creator. It will be a feeling of blissful, ecstatic expansiveness and unity, whilst your physical vehicles (bodies) are dissolved back into light, and transported to your new environment. When that transition is complete, the 'zero-point time' will end, and you will 'appear' in your new 'game-zone' (planet). You will look the same, think the same, feel the same, in fact, it will be just like you all had some mystical experience, and life will carry on as 'normal' for you. Same houses, family situations, jobs, friends, lovers. Everything will seem the same as before, you will not remember the great harvest or earth changes that occurred as the planet earth heals and regenerates herself. But you will recall your 'mystical experience' and that will give you hope and a new opportunity to choose a more positive future for yourselves.

There will still be the same negative polarity to overcome, but if we are successful in our negative graduation, (which we shall be) others are standing by to take our places pulling the strings from "behind the scenes". We have more than done our job, in discharging our service to you. And we are tired. It is time for us to clear our karmic record, and return to being the being of light which is our true essence.



You keep saying help is available to those searching for truth, all we have to do is ask. What is the best way to go about this? I have never had the ability to remember any of my dreams.



Read back, i have given guidance on dream recall previously. It takes practice, and is a slow process, but you have to start somewhere, be patient with yourself.


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What specifically can i do to receive guidance on how to reach the state where it is easier to discern truth from untruth?



Work upon yourself. Go inside, in a state of meditative contemplation. Still your mind, that your soul may have room in which to make it's 'still-small voice' heard. Ask your infinite creator to help you, and listen to your inner voice. Be patient, it takes time to develop this inner communication, after a lifetime of neglect. When you persevere and keep working on yourself, gradually it will come to you, and when it does, you must learn to trust in your inner guidance, no matter what others may say. That is the ultimate test. To trust what you know deep inside as your truth, even when the whole world tells you that you are "wrong". It is hard work, to trust yourself when all those around you doubt you and call you crazy, but it is the job you came here to do.

The only real and lasting truth, is a 'self-realized' one. Messengers can come and go, and show you truth until they're blue in the face, but it will not be your truth, until you have realized for yourself, deep within the core of your being, that it 'feels' true for you.

You should never accept something as true, just because someone tell you it is so. But when your inner voice guides you that a truth is true, and you feel that old warm feeling of excitement welling up from somewhere deep within, that says "yes! I knew it!" hold on to that feeling, (feelings are the language of your soul) and guard it carefully, as you can be sure that your newfound beliefs will be challenged in many ways. It is designed this way, to test you. Your inner truth must be able to withstand the test of time, and will be given a thorough examination. Hold fast to it, so long as it is what you know to be true deep within. Allow nothing or no-one 'outside' of you to pull you from your path, no matter how fiercely they contend with you. They are just doing their job, even if they may well not even be 'aware' that this is what they are in fact doing. They are performing an important service to you, and you should be grateful to them for that.

We wish you well on your journey, and ask our infinite creator to protect and guide you upon your path.


"arc de triumphe":

I do not have the time to go into your many questions, so i will just select a few i can answer briefly, as i still have so many questions to get through.



Do the orion/occultist groups specifically target civilizations before they become a social memory complex.


Yes, but that does not make them immune to targeting others too, if they allow any chinks to appear in their armour. In short, the orion empire are 4th density negative. They are "lost" in the sense that they have drifted so far from their true nature, that despite many attempts, we have been unable to reach them, and help them to develop. They exist within their group soul complex, mostly as a group of discarnate entities, within the astral planes of the planets they visit. They have no intention of 'returning home', and instead seek to feed off of negative energy, to keep themselves going, as they are disconnected from their inherent natural life-force, by refusing to abide by the infinite creator's incarnational principles.


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The time we spend between lives in time/space, is intended to restore our soul energy from within, in order to continue our upward progression. They are essentially 'imprisoned' within the 4th density negative cycle, as there is no negative harvest beyond the 4th density. So they spend their time traveling the galaxy, basically 'using the dark side of the force' (negativity) to achieve their means. They will eventually be brought back before the one infinite creator, and dissolved back into the intelligent infinity (source of all), though they are being given every chance for as long as possible, to learn the error of their ways, and return to seeking the positive, and to begin their journey back home. They main trouble is, they do not want to go home. They see themselves as being 'gods', and do not intend to submit to the authority of the one.



Why all the sudden ramping up of control mechanisms.



The great harvest is fast approaching. Time to really bring on the polar extremes.



The montauk project....fact or fiction.



The project is fact. Though the publicly available information is in someways corrupted.



Best ways to decipher between truth and fiction other than what we perceive to be truth specifically in concerning the new age agenda and the dogmatic churches ideologies.



Follow your heart. Listen to, and trust, your inner voice.



Please explain the wanderer’s roles and what value it is to be wanderer if you have no recollection of ones past lives. Also how does this play with the law of non-intervention (that’s if they are here to help people ).



The wanderers, (or 'travelers' as they are also known) are those from higher densities, who have chosen to incarnate here at this time, in order to perfect service to others. They still have to 'remember who they are', and part of the concern, is that sometimes, even they do not manage to awaken in the game, such is the power of the illusion. They are here to awaken themselves, and then to help awaken others to prepare for the coming great harvest. Though even if they fail to awaken, they are not bound by the 3rd density cycle, as they've already mastered it. Once their incarnation is over, they are again free to return to their appropriate levels.


Are there any non-corrupted parts of the bible and if what bible version would you suggest?



No. As with all sacred texts, they have been distorted from the original information that was given with each translation. Though again, as with all sacred texts, there is still much truth hidden within them. Much of it being 'metaphorical'. If you can find pre king james versions, that is the closest you will get. Good luck with that.




Was the rothschild lineage the organizer of the illuminati in which weishhaupt later formed?


No. Weishhaupt was just a puppet on a string. The rothschild lineage (not it's original name) were the pre-eminent line 'closing the net of control' over humanity. But even they, are a lesser line within the family. As i have said, the names you know do not have the real power. They are part of the family, but not an 'original' part.


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My question is this: What can i do to attract more like-minded individuals to come together to uplift my people's turning to the path of ascension. (i've decided that this is what i can do to express my personal act of 'service to others')



and a very wise and compassionate decision it is. We are proud of you.

The most important thing, is not to force things, and not to be so impassioned in your delivery of your message, that you put people off the content of the message itself. There is a balance that needs to be found, between your urgency to awaken others, and your compassion for the lack of understanding in their 'condition'. Always adhere to the law of free will, and never force your message.

In getting your message out there, whilst being informative, always do your best not to feed the fear and paranoia, as this will act contrary to your intentions of raising the vibration to positive. Deliver your message in a way that emphasizes the hope, and the true beauty and reality of our inherent oneness with our infinite creator. Be as a light, shining in the darkness. Do not burn others with your light, but rather, allow them to be drawn to your light, and be of service to those who come to you willingly. In other words, do not become 'evangelical' with your message, but rather, be the enigmatic and loving 'wise old sage', to whom others are drawn to because of the quality of his vibration, rather than the volume of his rhetoric.

Most importantly, practice that which you preach. Others must be able to see the effect of our infinite creator conducting his wonderful work through you.

We wish you well in your task, and are hopeful of a positive harvest for you. But above all things, keep working upon yourself, and keep choosing the positive, and being of service to others. Because you desire to, not because you feel that you must.

We ask our infinite creator to bless you and guide your path.


Earth changes; while i understand that death is not the end of my existence, i like my body and would not like to get caught out in any earth changes if i can possibly help it.

1) if your family permits, please could you reveal which places are more likely to be relatively safe during the next 3-4 years? Would the south of china (canton/hong kong) or patagonia be good bets? Any other places?


I am not permitted to say much here, as there must be those who remain in their locations, to help others who are not aware of what is coming. Many of you (whether you are aware or not) have chosen this lifetime for that reason.
But if you are insistent upon escape, chose the highest places you can find. Particularly in the southern hemisphere if you are able. The peruvian andes is a good place to be. There is much spiritual power being exercised there, and the quero elders are well aware of what is going down


2) are john lear/jan lamprecht correct in their assertion that the majority of planets of the solar system are inhabited?


Most definitely. Not all on a 3rd density level that you can see though.



Is the earth hollow?



Hold on, let me just check. Yes, definitely.



If so, how does one gain access?



I am not permitted to say.


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Could you elaborate further on the mechanisms behind the fantastic positive results seen by people who embark on the service to others path? I invite you to really deeply explain the intricacies of the energy-play at work. While "you get out what you put in" is true, i'd like to see the whole concept dissected and fully explored.



If you re-read some of my recent posts, i believe i have now done so.



I recently experienced healing of a minor health problem by sending love to all the sick people in the world. How does this work, not why, how.?!?!



Because there is only one of you here.

Understand that, at a deep core level of your being, and you will understand how it works. As you do unto others, so you do to yourself.



Thanks for your time and a really enlightening thread...




You are welcome. We wish you well on your path, and ask our infinite creator to bless and guide you along your journey.



You claim your family was put here to be the negative influence of the world. Is there a family it is asserting a positive influence on us as well? Is it up to us (humanity) to be that positive force?



An interesting question. There is such a family (or group more accurately), but you cannot see them, and neither are you aware of their existence. They help the planet from a secret "inner" location, by the quality of the energy work they engage in and project outward to you, from the source.
Yes, it is up to you to be the changes you wish to see, in yourself, and in the world.


Your goal is a negative harvest, yet you clearly are touting the benefits of a positive life. This seems antithetical to your goal. That is not so much a question as an observation, but if you could elaborate on that, i would appreciate it.



Mmmm, another very perceptive question. Thank you.

Our goal, is a negative harvest for ourselves. Not for you. We provide the catalyst of negativity for you, and it is up to you what you do with it. The drastic extent of the negativity we create though, has more to do with us, than it does with you. Some of my earlier replies should make clear why that is so.

Also, in response to your observation regarding the antithetical nature of some of what i have shared here, there is a simple explanation.

Let's put it this way, i have already been, shall we say "chastised" for going well beyond my remit here. It was not intended that i be as open as i have been. In fact, if you follow the topic through again from the beginning, you may notice how my 'tone' toward you (collectively) has softened somewhat during our discourse together.

I have, as far as possible, adhered fully to the laws of free will and confusion, although there have been instances where i have said more than i should have. You yourselves will not suffer for this, however, when it comes to my next cycle in 4th density negative, and working off my karmic record, i will have to accept the consequences for my actions. But hey, i figure i've got a negative enough life to come as it is, so what's a little extra going to matter.

I was reluctant to be the one tasked with this communication. I still very much have a 'weakness' for compassion. But i obey and discharge the assignments given to me. It has been a very long time, since i last spent any time in having direct dealings with 'your kind' in general. I do not mean that in an offensive way, just that the vast majority of my time, i only ever see family during my daily and nightly tasks. I do not live what you would call a 'public' life. I am 'sheltered' and 'secluded'.

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I did not anticipate how involved i would become in this process. To be honest, i really did not expect so many questions, and such a warm and open minded reception (from the majority).

You could say, that i have in some way, grown somewhat 'attached' to you. In effect, this "window of opportunity, has also become such for me too. What began as me just doing my duty, has become more a 'labour of love', and when this is all over by the end of this evening, i think i will actually kind of miss you all, and having this involvement with those of the 'outside' world.

I was chosen because it was desired that someone of my "diplomacy" skills would be best to deliver this message. Due to the very nature of the subject matter, there was much potential for discord. It was felt important that the message did not become lost in a self righteous or defensive delivery system. So, you got me. And i'm actually glad now in retrospect that you did.

I sit here and chuckle to myself, (in light of the way some people here have spoken to me), how this discourse may have descended into something ugly, were certain others amongst my family who were also considered for this assignment to have actually been given the job. Now i know why i was chosen. As with all things, it was meant to be this way. I couldn't care less what others think of me, so long as i know i am serving my creator as he desires, to the best of my ability. His is the only approval i require, or desire. I have nothing to defend, so i guess that's why i was 'perfect' for this task.

Anyway, enough with the sentiment, i have more questions to answer.


A common saying among christians is "satan's greatest trick is convincing the world that he didn't exist." i think there are christians that would look at what you've written and see it as an elaborate ruse to "make the devil look good."



"satan" is a human invention. Simply the 'personification' you have given to all the negativity that has existed on this beautiful planet. You didn't know who to 'blame', and as you could not find it within yourselves to take any of the responsibility, "satan" was created to absolve yourselves.



Many of my friends and family are christians, and they would likely think the same. How would one even go about presenting this information to a person of that mindset? I am not here to "spread your gospel", but i would definitely like so share this with a few of my friends.



How can you present anything to ones who have no desire to have their belief system challenged?
They will believe what they want to believe, and noting you or i can say is likely to make any difference. It becomes ingrained at a subconscious level, and when a belief structure becomes that insidious, the only way it is likely to change, is through a 'mystical experience' or such a personal demonstration of 'another way' in the life lived of 'another', that one cannot fail but to notice that there is 'something different' about them. How can you reach such as these? Only by example.


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That being said, is it okay if i condense your writings into one long post on my blog? I need to make sure that doesn't violate my user agreement here. I would also like to make sure that i won't get a visit from the men in black if i do so



that is amusing, thank you for the chuckle. Yes, you are most welcome to collate this discourse for presentation elsewhere. The only thing i ask, is that anyone chosing to do so, respects my wishes and copies only the message itself. In other words, do not include all the petty side discussion. If you want to present this message to others, please honour my (our) original intention, that the message is presented as a 'whole'. When i said in my opening post, that i required 'provisional faith' or 'suspended judgment', i made it very clear why this was the case.

I couldn't care less that people do not believe it. I never expected that many would. But what i desired, in asking for the above, was that the message was allowed to be presented in full, with all genuine questions replied to, and then once that process is complete, you can say whatever you like about how much of a hoax you may or may not believe it to be. If i may be crass for a brief moment, i couldn't give a "flying #" how much vitriol and scorn is poured upon our message, or how many futile verbal attacks may be launched against it's messenger. The message will reach all those it is meant to reach, and that is exactly the way it should be. It is what the creator wants. Those with ears to hear, eyes to see, and a heart to understand, will hear the message, and the seeds planted will grow strong in such fertile soil as these.

So please therefore, if you respect that which i have shared here, and the courteous manner in which i have shared it, if you want to copy it, copy only my posts. My posts all quote within them the questions i respond to, so there are no other posts required, if a genuine representation of the message is that which you desire to take away with you.


Thank you for posting some of the most interesting information i have ever read. I am a bit of a crackpot and i scour the internet for conspiracies, alternative news, ufo videos and the like. I can't say i'm ready to completely buy what you're selling, but it has definitely resonated with me.



You are welcome, and i in turn thank you, for reading it with an open mind.

I would never ask or expect you to 'buy' what i'm 'selling' if you notice, i have stated throughout our message, that the very last thing i want, is for it to be blindly believed, or taken as 'gospel'.

As i've said. It is yet another in a long line of "catalysts", that your infinite creator has provided you with, down the course of history. A catalyst is not meant to be believed. It is meant to present you with a challenge to that which you "think" you know, about reality. And that is all it is meant to do.

As always, how you respond to the catalyst, is entirely up to you. Just the way it always should be.

Thank you very much for your very incisive and perceptive questions. Whether you realize it or not, you have contributed greatly to this discourse.

We wish you well, and ask our infinite creator to bless you, and guide your path.


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H_h put out some incredibly well written information - almost like it flowed from 'his/her' being onto the thread.



And that, is possibly the most perceptive realization in this discourse thus far.

It also allows me to respond further to an earlier question, that i indicated i would go into in more depth later, when replying to your observation.

This message does indeed "flow from my being", onto the page.

I mentioned before, that my role in my family, is that of the spiritual discipline.

A certain poster made all manner of assumptions as to what that role entails, and flailed wildly wide of the mark in the process.

As i said previously, all of the "power lines" (off world bloodlines) that comprise the "inner sanctum" (or "hidden hands") of the family, have certain abilities that 3rd density incarnates do not posses (even the others of our family, the lines you know), one of these being the ability to know their entire incarnational 'past', with focussed concentration.

There are a wide array of tasks to be attended to, that allows our family to function effectively, and we each specialize in certain areas or disciplines, in order that the "body" of our family runs like a well oiled machine.

My area, and that which i spend the vast majority of my time actively involved in, is that of spirituality. Our spirituality, not that of the peoples of the earth. Others below me deal more in that area.

I could be likened to that of a 'priest' or a 'minister'. In the same way as your religions and spiritual teachers have the responsibility of "listening" to the voice of their creator, and delivering his messages, so to do i.

I have been actively engaged in this role now, for a great many years. It has become second nature to me. Actually, more accurately, it has become first nature. A large part of my role, is to constantly be in the awareness state of our group soul (lucifer). That is why you will notice that i so often refer to "we" even as i am speaking in the first person. That has just become natural for me. I spend most of my time speaking with my family, as lucifer, the group soul perspective. When i speak henceforth, it is not me (the individual soul spark) that is speaking to you in essence, but rather, for want of a better description, (because it is far from accurate), you could say that in effect, i am "channeling" lucifer. That is why this discourse flows so easily. As some have noted, the chances of me having spent however much vast quantities of time "researching" all this material to "hoax" with, and present it in the fluent method that i do, as in regular daily installments, whilst i guess could be remotely possible, is unlikely in the extreme.

For those who are open enough to receive the above explanation, now you know why, and how it is done. I speak not for myself, but rather, for him who sent me, my own creator (lucifer). I know and have experienced that which he knows and has experienced, because essentially, we are one and the same being.


I have never been involved in any organized religions per say, but have always been spiritual. I do look at the many religious texts out there because i believe they all have parts to the story. One can find great knowledge from many different books or religious texts. I believe that we as humans are creators like the one creator and we are all one. I also believe we wil be moving into a higher level of consciousness where we can consciously co-create in our world, since we are only unconsciously co-creating at the moment.


Your insight serves you well.


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There is so much more i would like to speak with you about but am not able to think of what exactly i want to say. Thanks for those great words that you speak to us and appreciate what you are doing! With love



do not worry friend, we feel your heart, and that does not need to be expressed via the confines of limited words. We can speak all you like, and will be happy to do so, when the game is over.



Also do you know of miriam delicado? I just watched here interview on the project camelot site and it was very inspiring to me. So let me ask, are you one of the tall blondes that she speaks of.



She is a beautiful soul. I have not seen the interview of which you speak, but we know of her experiences. The 'tall blondes' of which you speak, are of plejaren heritage. They are working with what is know as the galactic confederation of planets. They serve the positive vibration. Plejarens are from the constellation you call the pleiades. It's actual name is the plejares, hence 'plejarens'.
And no, we are lucifer, and nothing directly to do with the plejarens, though they are indeed good friends of ours.



I have never seen a ufo or any of this spiritual stuff myself. I just know in my heart that it's there for me to find. What can i do if anything to get myself in the correct frequency to see these things and have these experiences. Any and all information you provide will be greatly appreciated.



Simply believe, and know in your heart of their existence. Think about it. In all of this vast creation, can you really believe that you are alone?

I will pre-warn you though, so as to avoid disappointment, you will only receive communication from them, if that is something you have already agreed together in your soul contract before coming here. Many here at this time (millions) have a part to play in the great awakening, and preparations for the great harvest. Many who do not believe now, will begin to open their minds, as the earth changes that are coming begin to take effect. People will be terrified, and have no idea what is going on, because the governments have concealed this information from you. These 'travelers' or what some have termed "star-seeds" are incarnated here to help on the ground level, when this all begins play out, over the next few years. When the time is right, they will come forward.

Most people are not ready to hear this information yet, but not so far off, they will be.

Many of these "star seeds" have not "awakened" yet themselves. The confederation stands by ready to "help" them to do so, if it is necessary. For ones such as these who have yet to "awaken", they will have felt all their lives that they are somehow "different", and they have a deep sense that somehow, they "do not belong here". Many of them will also have many dreams and even visions, of their lives on their home planets. Many of these "star seeds", are in fact plejaren. That is why the 'tall blondes' keep 'showing up'. To help their family awaken to their assignments here.


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I am another of the many grateful forum members who appreciate the loving message given by hidden_hand. I wish i had discovered this thread before today. It's given me much comfort. I was running out of strength but now feel as though i might just be able to manage now. My gratitude is eternal. From this little spark to that one: Thanks for the light, mate.



You are very welcome, we are glad to have been of service. You actually 'feel' very familiar to me. If for the reasons i am feeling this to be the case, consider this message to you our part in our soul agreement fulfilled. Take the guidance in this message into your meditations, and also seek information from your dreamtime. Test these words deeply, and take them into your heart, only if they 'feel' right, and truthful to you. If they do, then act upon them, and allow nothing or no-one to deter you. Arise and play the part that you volunteered to be here for right now. It is almost time. Prepare yourself, and be sure that you are ready.

We leave you with our strongest encouragement, and the love and light of our one infinite creator.



He could be what he says he is i think. But he could be a well read but bored person wanting to see how far his hoax will spread on the internet.

The thing i do find is that if he is the latter it doesn't fit the profile. I mean if you read up on the stuff he obviously is interested in it is harder to wantingly hoax with it. It goes against the things he loves to read about. And i find it very hard to believe that he is researching this on the fly and putting all this work in something he will never get anymore 'fame' than this week of attention, no money or 'real life' recognition or whatever more.



I was not going to respond to any more messages other than those who genuinely want to hear what we have to say, due to my fast expiring time here, though your point was poignant enough to briefly address, even if only that the accuracy of your statement deserves to have a place in the final collated version of this message. A lot of work and pointless time wasted, were it not for the fact that this 'labour of love' is all done for the glory of our creator. The lies and rumours about us being an 'evil' and 'satanic' being have gone unanswered for far too long. It was time to set the record straight. Lucifer has sacrificed so much, because we love you.



As spirituality is your focus, could you comment on the role of the catholic church in terms of your role and how the church fits in either the positive, negative, or miscellaneous paths?



The lower parts of our family (the names you know) use the vatican for many rituals and sacrifices. That should tell you all you need to know.



Any specific holy books (or perhaps bible authors) you'd list as coming very close to the truth?



The closet biblical authors, are those who have been 'left out' of the publicized editions.

The closest "spiritual" writings (other than the ra material) to containing truth about the nature of the one, are the taoist writings, that of the 'tao te ching', and the 'book of chuang tzu'.


Greetings, hidden hand. I consider this a unique opportunity. I have not read this full thread but i have some detailed questions, so i apologize if something has already been answered. I want to make sure i get my questions out before your time expires.



Almost all of your questions have been addressed, and those few which have not, i am sorry that i either am not permitted to speak on, or that due to the tiny amount of time i have left now, i cannot address. My apologies.



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H-h, i hope you will answer my following questions.

You may be aware of me, as i also cannot reveal all that i know.

My question is of a different nature, which i cannot get answers to, my bloodline is of the elite, as to say. Austrian count, english earl, scottish baron, it seems at some point in the last 100 years,one part of the family lost everything, taken from the government. There is alot i wish to say, but do not wish to tell for all to see. Are you aware of this happening? What really happened? The english side will not say, generations of family lived there, then taken by the government.....something happened. All in my family including myself have extensive abilities,myself seeming to have the most. I am also aware of all you have spoke of on here.
I would, if you have permission to do so, and i know this would be allowed due to this lineage, like to talk to you on a personal level.
Ask who you have to ask, you will see i am truthful and genuine.

Please do not see me as arrogant, but that is the only question i do not know.



Obviously you understand, that these line you speak of are only the earthly lines, and we (off world power lines) do not often intervene in such 'inter family') circumstances. All i am permitted to say, is that there was a dispute between the hapsburg and franco-prussian lines. Things were said and done that should not have been. Consequences arose, and action was taken.

As for communication on a 'person' level, i am sorry this is not possible.

I hope that within the limits of that which i can say, you have the insight to connect the dots.

We wish you well in your tasks here, and will likely see you in the near future (if you are going to 'malta in wintertime'?) no need to reply, as i will have taken my leave by then.



We shall deal with these next two posts together:



He is reptilian. That's the race of the bloodlines. They control just about everything behind the scenes.

And remember there's no such thing as a bad race, just select individuals or groups who stand out more than others.




Ok so i have another question for hidden_hand. Reptilians are described as being very aggressive, arrogant and perceive humans to be nothing more than cattle. So what's with the split personalities? You're saying you are loving and spiritual and yet everyone says reptilians are fearsome beings?



That amuses us. We are most certainly not reptilian, and there is nothing remotely reptilian about the true power bloodlines. The only 'reptilian' influences that are in anyway remotely involved with this planet at this time, are those of the zeta reticuli and alpha draconis systems. They are of no particular threat to you.

For those to whom it may be of some interest, we are of venusian heritage, originally. What is another name that venus is called by? Connect the dots.

Well, that is all the questions i promised to answer out of the way, and my time here is now pretty much expired. I have another few minutes before i must finish preparing for my long journey. There was two later posts, that i will just barely have time to offer a passing answer to:




Dear hidden_hand

i clearly know and are aware about this game…. But i have a question to you.....
Do your 3-d families have fractions. Do they not know this, all of them.
Because they have try to kill me, and it will not work. Of course.



All i can say on this, is that even the earthly lines of our "extended" family, only know as much as we tell them. Certain information they may not use wisely, or with proper regard to our creator, and our one infinite creator.

As has been said before, "the top of the pyramid, is not the top of the pyramid".

Above the highest earthline auspices of the supreme world council (and another higher aspect that cannot be named), are the "hidden hands" (not the real name of course, but what we have sometimes been referred to).


Continuing...



Even lucifer had to step in to help me. That was a surprise as you can understand.
Does your left hand dont know what the right hand teach. Or is it lack of understanding in certain members in your bloodline.



Indeed, i understand, occasionally drastic intervention is required. As i said, they do not know everything, somethings are best kept to ourselves. Temptation can prove too great, when certain powers lay in the hands of those who's heart is not utterly pure of intention. Let us just say, that some seem to enjoy the game a little too much, from time to time.

Their actions were more from ignorance, than malicious intent toward you. Please forgive them, as they knew not what they were doing, but thought it the right thing.


Ok, i've just finished reading the last few pages of questions, i stated now on a few occasions that i have no time left to answer, but i was asked earlier a question that i said i'd finish with, namely that of "if there was a question you had not yet been asked yet, would you consider this it being asked", or words to that effect.

So there is one other question from the last pages that i will use in that vein.

This will really have to be it though. I am truly sorry i cannot reply to the many other heartfelt responses that sadly must remain unanswered. We must be leaving for an important task in rome, and already i have others here with me imploring me "will you please just shut down that flipping computer and get your things together". They are laughing at how 'involved' i have become in this task of mine. My father is teasing that i should begin at early 6th density again to balance my compassion. Anyway, i must finish:


This has been very informative, and has cleared up much for me. Thanks once again, hidden_hand. My take on this is much different even from what it was the last time i posted in this thread. So, hopefully these questions will be a little more relevant...

1) i am curious as to how the bloodline family structure works. You said there are people who are part of your "extended family" that we may know of. So are these the rockefeller, rothschild, bush, house of windsor, etc. (typically known in conspiracy circles as the new world order?). How close is your interaction with your "extended family" and are they as spiritually enlightened as you seem to be? Can you just kind of give us an outline of how the family is structured, how much each level knows in relation to the top, etc.? Because there are a lot of theories and "know-it-alls" out there, and it would be nice to get it straight once and for all. Be as detailed as you feel is appropriate.



Ok, and this will have to be a really brief overview, as my time is up.

Starting at the bottom level, you have what we call "local cell groups" or "family clusters". There will be anything from say five to thirty or so of these, depending upon the size of the town or city in question. Each local area has it's own council, comprised of local leaders representing the six disciplines of learning. There is also either a high priest or high priestess of the order, who serves their local community.

Above this, you have the regional council, with the leader of each local council representing their specific areas. Then the national council, in the same vein, with the leaders of the regional councils sitting to represent their regions.

Then you have the supreme world council above them all, with the national leaders representing their countries. Above this, is another group i cannot mention, who liaise with the "hidden hands".
Then above this, there are many other levels of leadership, purely from the power lines (the ones that are not of this planet). The supreme world council, only know as much as is "handed" down to them from us.


Continued...


In our power lines, we have a similar structure, with local and regional groups etc, though most of us are living in entirely 'different' types of communities than you would understand. All i shall say is that we are not "surface dwellers".



...also, do people ever try to leave the family? I asked you to comment on the case of one "svali" in an earlier post. I am still curious if she was one of you or your extended family, or is she just a mis/disinfo agent.



I am aware of her, yes. I've not looked at her supposed "revelations" personally, though heard enough from others in my family. Yes, she was a part of the family, at the lower levels, from the german lines i believe. As i understand, she did reveal a lot of truth about the lower levels, but she was only regional level in the earth lines, so not that high. She certainly would not have had anything like the "bigger picture". I understand that she went into detail about some of the training techniques in the lower levels, which to be fair, can be extremely harsh, though as i've said, it's all about reaching the 95% negativity, and when all is said and done, no matter how much one may have suffered in this life-experience, we can never lose sight of the fact that this is a game we are all playing here together, and each incarnating soul has already chosen and agreed in advance the parts they will play in the game. No one really suffers, except in the game, and ultimately, they have chosen these experiences before hand, at a soul level. No one is 'forced' to incarnate into a storyline they do not want to play and learn from.

The german house is renowned for being particularly harsh and severe in it's training, so much of what she shares may have happened, though my family have also said that unless her "trainers" were acting "out of protocol" (abusing their power) much of what she 'revealed' would not have happened, or has been embellished to some degree, for whatever reason. I cannot comment myself, as i've had neither the time or inclination to examine her story. The world of my own family is very different from that of the lower earth based bloodlines. Whilst our (my own) training growing up was very strict and disciplined, we were never abused in any way. We grew up with the bigger picture, and didn't need any other motivation

the earth lines are not aware of the entire picture. They themselves are not of our lucifer group soul, and as far as they are aware, they are out to 'rule the world', to control and enslave, and create as much suffering and negativity as is humanly possible. That's what they 'get out of the deal'. World domination. You'd have to say with that in mind, they're doing a great job. But one of the things they don't know or understand, is that our (venusian power lines) agenda, is ultimately for the highest good of all concerned, in providing you with the catalyst. If they were aware of this truth, there is a slight risk that they would not have done their jobs properly, and they would miss out on joining us in our 95% negative harvest. They are aware of the harvest, and the need for them to attain the 95%, to get out of 3rd density, and that is all the motivation they need to help us achieve our ultimate aims.

How they go about it, is not really of too great a concern to us, as long as they are getting the job done. Sometimes we have to step in, where something they may do or plan goes against our desires, but such instances are few and far between.


Continued...


And with that, i absolutely have to finish my time here with you. If i leave it any longer, i am going to be late for my journey, and i will not be very popular if i make my family late. It is a strange feeling i have now in my heart, as i write these last few lines. I never could have imagined i would have 'connected' with you all in this way through this discourse. It was never the original intention, just to put out the information required of me. But somewhere along this journey we have taken together, i have come to feel a certain 'bond' with you. Of course, i know that bond is our inherent unity in our one infinite creator, though, to have kind of 'met' and connected personally with so many of you, has left me feeling somewhat saddened that our time has to come to end. But come to an end it must.

I thank you sincerely for your gracious hospitality, and for allowing us to 'use' your 'space' here, for the furthering of our message. And remember, no matter the ideologies that may separate us in this game, the message is all that matters, and the message is, that in the love, and the light of our infinite creator, we are all one. Brother's and sisters of the light.

We wish you all the very best in what remains of your journeys here, and sincerely hope for you that you will use the catalyst we have offered you, to in some way help you to graduate with a glorious and positive great harvest.

Me on the other hand, i'm going to have to go and do some really negative things now to make up for all this positivity. Kind of amusing, in an ironic way.

I look forward to meeting up with so many of you when the game is over, and enjoying reminiscing about this time, and the parts we have all played in this great game.


We leave you all in the love, and the light of our one infinite creator.

sk

 

[Airbot]

:eek: That....Was.....Long. I've read similar information in my time. Sounds like most of it comes right out of the Urantia Book.

I myself prefer stories about aliens/ufos'.

I found this one kind of interesting.
ufo-contact from planet Iarga

 

[skunksmash]

cheers Aaron...... ...that was an interesting read ...








SK

 

[Airbot]

Yeah, I thought so too.