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Meltdown and Spectre Exploits

VFN

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#1
Are Vista machines going to receive a security update?

Thanks
 

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z3r010

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#2
Nope, it's dead, you need to upgrade to a more modern OS.
 

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VFN

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#3
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#4
well, it could be like what Microsoft did with Windows Xp during Wannacry, they gave it a security update since a lot of machines still ran it and some too this day still run XP just like vista users.
 

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johngalt

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#5
This is not an exploit that will help create a lot of bots on the net to make one big botnet, nor will it allow ransomware onto your machine or anything like that.

This is a proof of concept that the way our modern processors work in conjunction with the way modern kernels interact with them, can be sabotaged to give up information that was previously considered secured because of the use of various technologies built into the processors.

Because of that, the major targets for this are not going ot be end users - yeah, malware devs will ahve to target hundreds of thousands of end users machines ot get lucky enough for a modest windfall, or they can target cloud-based and web-based server, where they can target hundreds of thousainds of users' info on a single server - and Vista is not a server class OS.
 

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wither 3

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#6
I wonder what VFN had in mind when he asked about the updates. Something missing or a problem? I run Vista all day, everyday with Norton Security and haven't had any problems. I think Norton has stopped maybe 4 or 5 web attacks since last April.
 

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VFN

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I wonder what VFN had in mind when he asked about the updates.
I read Microsoft will be sending updates to protect against these exploits. Apparently, browsers are taking measures as well.
 

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Yeah, like i said they'll be doing this cause systems don't have time to upgrade to newer equipment and software. So microsoft will probably send an update to Xp (this doesn't seem likely :() but they might send an update for windows vista since its brother Windows Server 2008 is still being used and vista can install some of The Server 2008 updates so we might be able to download the Server update and install it on vista. But idk i'm just a new member.
 

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#9
Yeah, like i said they'll be doing this cause systems don't have time to upgrade to newer equipment and software. So microsoft will probably send an update to Xp (this doesn't seem likely :() but they might send an update for windows vista since its brother Windows Server 2008 is still being used and vista can install some of The Server 2008 updates so we might be able to download the Server update and install it on vista. But idk i'm just a new member.
There were originally no plans to release Spectre and Meltdown packages for Server 2008 (initial release) - however (read below) ......
 
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#10
MAJOR NEWS - there are new Spectre and Meltdown patches for March 2018 (for Server 2008). There ARE installable on to Vista. I have avoided installing them because I'm not sure that I want to endure the performance degradation that likely accompanies these updates. But they are available.

KB4090450 - Description of the security update for the speculative execution side-channel vulnerabilities in Windows Server 2008 (SPECTRE)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4090450
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=4090450

KB4089229 - Description of the security update for the Windows Kernel vulnerabilities in Windows Server 2008 (MELTDOWN)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4089229
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=4089229
 

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johngalt

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It would be interesting if you could make a full image of your Vista install and then perform some benchmarks to see if there is an actual determinable performance degradation.

I wish I still had an older machine lying around onto which I could install Vista (I suppose I could try in a VM, but I'd have to set up a comprehensive testing routine as well, including limiting any potential outside interference from the host machine running tasks in the background, so that would take a lot longer than it sounds. And I'd have to find a Vista install disc :p
 

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Vistaar

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#12
...there are new Spectre and Meltdown patches for March 2018 (for Server 2008). There ARE installable on to Vista. I have avoided installing them because I'm not sure that I want to endure the performance degradation that likely accompanies these updates. But they are available...
Those patches may break Sandboxie (not that it officially supports Vista anymore: see Vista with latest Server 2008 updates break SB - Sandboxie Support), and who knows how many other old programs that can no longer be updated on Vista?
 

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