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#61
Wonder when NVIDIA will release a card that can max out Crysis at 1920x1200 with 16AA. I'd pay US $1000 for that.
 

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#62
Nvidia will be behind for DX11 so I dont think they'll have a decent card maxing out Crysis at 1980x1080 at 16xAA and 8xAF till at least Q2 2011.
But ATI and Intel's Larrabee will most likely get this done by the end of 2010
 

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#63
Nvidia is going down, because of the stuff ups over the last consecutive 2 years with die-shrinks, power consumption, heat not to mention that they couldnt get a console contract for the next console platforms from Microsoft, Sony and nintendo (microsoft got intel -xbox, sony got ATI-PS4 and Nintendo got ATI again)
 

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#64
yes... nivida is far behind now..... the best they can do is overclock a 295 and hope it comes close the the 5000 series
 

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#65
yes... nivida is far behind now..... the best they can do is overclock a 295 and hope it comes close the the 5000 series
i can go out and buy a GTX295 , can you pop out and get me a 5000 series ATI card??

ill wait here till you get back......................... ;)
 

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#66
:p in a few weeks.... and knowing ati the 5000 series will be cheaper than a 295 but just as fast if not faster haha
 

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#67
:p in a few weeks.... and knowing ati the 5000 series will be cheaper than a 295 but just as fast if not faster haha
unfortunately though like all ATI cards before it................It wont work properly ;) ;) ;) ;)
 

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#68
hey now :sarc: when was the last time you even used one?.... my 3870 works perfectly and the drivers are getting better every day :p
 

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#69
hey now :sarc: when was the last time you even used one?.... my 3870 works perfectly and the drivers are getting better every day :p
i aint used one in years because THEY DONT WORK PROPERLY!!!!!!!!

Just joking :D this thread was always destined to go t!ts up , im just helping it along a little ;)
 

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#70
haha see my point exactly haha and why change the profile pic? haha
 

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#71
Until ATI can get games to run within 2 fps difference in ALL games compared to nvidia at 1920x1200 then will I buy one.
 

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#72
well let's see history, when I bought my GTX280, it was the creme' de la creme' of graphics cards, one week later, the HD4870x2 comes out and blows mine out of the water! i was angry as hell. then Nvidia retaliated with the GTX285 and 295 and then they were ahead once more.

I have been a green machine supporter all my life, but I have researched the facts, and Nvidia's architecture is not only outdated but seriously flawed, The heat generation and power requirements to run one of its behemoth's mean that the size of the graphics card becomes a factor, (Nvidia tried to compete with the 4870x2 by creating a GTX280x2, it used too much heat, too much power, too much space and so it was that the GTX295 was born, a fabrication running on 2x GTX260's with a few extra processing cores)

ATI has done everything right that it should have done - changed the architecture of the graphics card itself to compete with its rival (we all remember when ATI had those wierd cables behind the case attaching both graphics cards together for crossfire mode), they did a successful die shrink of the GPU (mind you they do have an unfair advantage that their parent company AMD creates processors enabling a more successful die shrink, whereas Nvidia must rely on external company contracts to help compete) They meet the deadline requirements (as seen with DirectX10, they met all the technological specifications, where Nvidia failed, but to make things fair, Microsoft relented to Nvidia's objections and because of this, DirectX10 didnt look nearly as good as it was supposed to. ATI's first DX10 cards had certain useless components in them because of this because they met the specifications of the DX10 API and Nvidia didnt) and they are recognised by many in the industry as a good company (ATI has the next gen's consoles graphics pick with Xbox and Wii both backing them for their next consoles to be released later than 2011 and Intel getting sony's PS4 contract with their Larrabee)

Now with direct X11 looming around the corner, if ATI chooses to increase the speed of its GPU's now that they have successfully managed the die-shrink, up the shader clocks, (they already have enough stream processors). We will see the likes of ATI that Nvidia will need a miracle to overcome
 

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#73
well let's see history, when I bought my GTX280, it was the creme' de la creme' of graphics cards, one week later, the HD4870x2 comes out and blows mine out of the water! i was angry as hell. then Nvidia retaliated with the GTX285 and 295 and then they were ahead once more.

I have been a green machine supporter all my life, but I have researched the facts, and Nvidia's architecture is not only outdated but seriously flawed, The heat generation and power requirements to run one of its behemoth's mean that the size of the graphics card becomes a factor, (Nvidia tried to compete with the 4870x2 by creating a GTX280x2, it used too much heat, too much power, too much space and so it was that the GTX295 was born, a fabrication running on 2x GTX260's with a few extra processing cores)

ATI has done everything right that it should have done - changed the architecture of the graphics card itself to compete with its rival (we all remember when ATI had those wierd cables behind the case attaching both graphics cards together for crossfire mode), they did a successful die shrink of the GPU (mind you they do have an unfair advantage that their parent company AMD creates processors enabling a more successful die shrink, whereas Nvidia must rely on external company contracts to help compete) They meet the deadline requirements (as seen with DirectX10, they met all the technological specifications, where Nvidia failed, but to make things fair, Microsoft relented to Nvidia's objections and because of this, DirectX10 didnt look nearly as good as it was supposed to. ATI's first DX10 cards had certain useless components in them because of this because they met the specifications of the DX10 API and Nvidia didnt) and they are recognised by many in the industry as a good company (ATI has the next gen's consoles graphics pick with Xbox and Wii both backing them for their next consoles to be released later than 2011 and Intel getting sony's PS4 contract with their Larrabee)

Now with direct X11 looming around the corner, if ATI chooses to increase the speed of its GPU's now that they have successfully managed the die-shrink, up the shader clocks, (they already have enough stream processors). We will see the likes of ATI that Nvidia will need a miracle to overcome
And we will also see new games heavier than crysis that will prove which graphics card has the balls - ATI or NVIDIA.:D
 

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#74
very true. just wait to see who releases the first DX11 card and we'll also see who sets the benchmark (and if nvidia did what ATI used to do and only try to appeal to the mid/lower echelon of the market)
 

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#75
haha see my point exactly haha and why change the profile pic? haha
your the second person to mention it , i didnt think anyone would even notice ha ha ive changed it back as its even starting to bother me now ;)
 

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#76
haha see my point exactly haha and why change the profile pic? haha
your the second person to mention it , i didnt think anyone would even notice ha ha ive changed it back as its even starting to bother me now ;)
it really scared me haha.... it was as if you were taken over.... haha
 

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#77
very true. just wait to see who releases the first DX11 card and we'll also see who sets the benchmark (and if nvidia did what ATI used to do and only try to appeal to the mid/lower echelon of the market)
i think it will be a easy contest for ati
 

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#78
It's simple really - in the unlikely event that ATI's 58xx's deliver lacklustre performance, in a few weeks ATI cards will dominate high-end single GPU.

This will be the case until nvidia release their new cards at which point they may very well regain the top spot. Then again, they may not. Without any concrete facts to currently go on, it's only speculation.

People assume nvidia has the goods with the 300 series. Honestly, with the extra development time after they've seen the competitions offerings - they better.

The bottom line is - despite whoever has the overall best card in the DX11 generation, the ultimate winners are us. The gamers.
 

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#79
Nvidia to the death.

Most games are written for their cards, their drivers actually occasionally improve performance, and the performance of the current best nvidia card in SLI - the GTX 295 massacres any ATI offering with a suitable i7 processor and RAID setup along with plenty of RAM.
um...... i would not say that.........as a 4870x2 outpreforms the geforce 295........... and a single 4890 is only 40 fps slower on fear2 than the 2 core 295........ so that means a cf 4890 will out preform a 295.....
Charts, benchmarks Gaming Graphics Cards Charts 2009 (High Quality), F.E.A.R. 2
You're not even comparing a 4890 Crossfire to the best Nvidia have to offer, a 295 is not the best, as it's gtx 260 cores. Atleast compare a 4890 CF to GTX285 SLI.

Atleast do fair tests, this website has some good tests: Ultimate Heavy-Weight Fight: Radeon HD 4890 CrossFireX vs. GeForce GTX 285 SLI (page 16) - X-bit labs

As you can see, both cards have their ups and downs in their fair share of games.
 

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#80
ok lets see..... how much is a 285? this is where $ per performance :p
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire M1201\Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2.6Ghz
    Motherboard
    Acer Micro-ATX Motherboard
    Memory
    2x2gb Patriot Viper DDR2 PC6400 @ 800mhz Dual Channel SLI Edition (4-4-4-12)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870 with 512mb GDDR4
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 7.1 Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1050
    Hard Drives
    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10)
    500gb Seagate SATA II
    1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
    PSU
    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
    Case
    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
    Cooling
    1x 135mm In PSU, 1x 70mm On CPU, And 1x 120mm On GPU
    Mouse
    Microsoft Sidewinder X5
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Sidewinder X6
    Internet Speed
    6 Mbs Down 1 Mbs Up
    Other Info
    AVerMedia 1500MCE TV Tuner
    Logitech X540 5.1 Surround Sound