hi usama,just to keep you informed, went to security-vista forums as you advised and had a reply back from zigzag3143 he advised, go to start, type msconfig, click on startup tab, and uncheck the box's which are not microsoft, when i did that i noticed some said unknown, so i went through them one by one and found the one that was giving me trouble. i thank you for your time and help and i tipped the scales patch41