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64-bit: More than just the RAM

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Thought I'd share an interesting article about memory usage in 32-bit Vista. Seems like 32-bit is not limited to 4 GB of ram afterall (as we've all been lead to believe).

"That 32-bit editions of Windows Vista are limited to 4GB is not because of any physical or technical constraint on 32-bit operating systems. The 32-bit editions of Windows Vista all contain code for using physical memory above 4GB. Microsoft just doesn’t license you to use that code."

Read more .... Geoff Chappell, Software Analyst - Viewer


P.S. (to admins/mods): I tried to post this as a new thread in the "News" section, but lacked the privileges. Suppose it's just as good here.
 

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Hey guys, i'm new to the forums ... It's good to be around all you techies .. I must say that a x64 bit really rocks .. I've got an Asus G50VT-X5 lappy , stuffed with a 4GB RAM , X64 Bit OS & 9800 nVIDIA GC..

The Reason i like my 64 ?
It's damn fast when i'm backing up my data.. I can transfer 100GB of data in less than 80mints.. Data processing speed really matters to me ..

Cheers, D
 

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I'm happy that I decided to purchase an x64 version of Vista.
 

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Yes I like the speed but I find that the programs that run in a 64 bit enviornment are really taking a long time to surface. Maybe WIN 7.0 will push everyone a little harder. I can't wait for the release.

I have also begun to "DO WITHOUT" other 3rd party softwares and run strickly MSFT software. I back up with Vista (best I have ever had) super simple etc. I also run Defender and not some other for that security. I use BING exclusively and deleted everything for Google. My toolbars are all MSFT and I can't help but think my system runs better and faster as a result.
If it wasn't for my children I would also delete ITUNES.
 

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Yes I like the speed but I find that the programs that run in a 64 bit enviornment are really taking a long time to surface. Maybe WIN 7.0 will push everyone a little harder. I can't wait for the release.

I have also begun to "DO WITHOUT" other 3rd party softwares and run strickly MSFT software. I back up with Vista (best I have ever had) super simple etc. I also run Defender and not some other for that security. I use BING exclusively and deleted everything for Google. My toolbars are all MSFT and I can't help but think my system runs better and faster as a result.
If it wasn't for my children I would also delete ITUNES.
64-bit takes up more base overhead RAM so if you don't have that much to begin with, you might experience slower launch.

SuperFetch, is a technology that launches your commonly used stuff (based on scheduled usage habits) much faster. But you need some extra RAM for it to work better.
 

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32-bit is still good for many situations. If you are a frequent computer user of a lot of apps I would suggest 64-bit is a must for your main. Other than that 32-bit is just fine.

I have a 32-bit Vista Ultimate laying arround from a sample. I'm waiting for prices of bare-bones systems to come down so I can make a cheap Windows Media Center. :)
 

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kupalski

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32-bit is still good for many situations. If you are a frequent computer user of a lot of apps I would suggest 64-bit is a must for your main. Other than that 32-bit is just fine.

I have a 32-bit Vista Ultimate laying arround from a sample. I'm waiting for prices of bare-bones systems to come down so I can make a cheap Windows Media Center. :)

+1 for you sir!
 

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Yes I like the speed but I find that the programs that run in a 64 bit enviornment are really taking a long time to surface. Maybe WIN 7.0 will push everyone a little harder. I can't wait for the release.

I have also begun to "DO WITHOUT" other 3rd party softwares and run strickly MSFT software. I back up with Vista (best I have ever had) super simple etc. I also run Defender and not some other for that security. I use BING exclusively and deleted everything for Google. My toolbars are all MSFT and I can't help but think my system runs better and faster as a result.
If it wasn't for my children I would also delete ITUNES.
You know what, I read your post again and I think I misunderstood your post. lol I thought “surface” meant “launch”. :p

Yeah, 64-bit apps exist mostly where it’s actually needed, like in intense data processing applications and design software and some games for now. There isn’t as much need to develop for 64-bit from many dev standpoints so they try to stick to where the market is. At this point "consumer usage" mostly benefits from the multitasking capability of 64-bit.

Also, if you have a video card with high VRAM, 64-bit doesn’t eat into the maximum usable RAM like in 32-bit. After all, a good video GPU is one of the keys to a well performance Vista machine. Many people in the early days of Vista shopping didn’t know this. Can’t blame them as the details are sort of “technical”, but Vista sort of off-loads a lot of graphics to the GPU to relieve the CPU for other stuff. It’s a big difference from XP as well so even many veteran PC users got thrown off by this and most STILL do not know this to this day! ;)

But now even the Intel GMA on-boards are pretty decent as long as you're not into high power games so, whatever.

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Depnding on memeory remapping in the BIOS, your GPU might take a chunk out of available RAM. 64-bit RAM also removes the 2GB address space limit for windows resources. As for apps, what is the point of a computer if you only run Microsoft? More freeware apps can slow you down, just choose the right ones.
 

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Another benefit (that might have been mentioned somewhere in this huge thread) is that it helps a “family computer”, where you don’t have always “log off” so someone else won’t be short of RAM. You can just “switch user” so you don’t have to re-open up all your apps all over again and wait for the startup programs to launch, etc. :cool:
 

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lorenkjr

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You are right Vista Ultimate 64 bit seems very stable and no finding driver problems here either. Waiting to up my computer to 8 gig's shortly. Then I hope it will really fly.
 

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fieseler

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You are right Vista Ultimate 64 bit seems very stable and no finding driver problems here either. Waiting to up my computer to 8 gig's shortly. Then I hope it will really fly.
You won't regret it. Granted I use mine 90% for gaming, so 4gb would be enough - but ive got 2gb of stuff sitting in memory right now while typing this. It's a relief not to have to worry about capacity. :party:
 

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lorenkjr

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That's exactly why I thought about the 8 gig's. . Now I will not have to look to see if I have enough memory to do something or not. While memory is not always that cheap, it's the one thing I recommend maxing out when you can. I never really understood why there were so many complaints about Vista. It really is not that bad at all. I also have Windows 7, which is on another computer and works fine too. I am running Vista on a Macbook Pro using Parallels, which works just fine for me. Gives me the best of both worlds. I have Vista using a 256 gig. partition, with a second 256 gig. partition for data. The partitions are on a trigabyte external drive using usb2. No slowdown what so ever that I can see. So, guess I don't have to worry about Vista only being able to run on a PC, using the C drive only. Finally beat Microsoft at their own game!!!!
 

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Reading through the 20 pages so far, I found only one entry that closely resembles my question/situation. Someone mentioned that the product key for 32 will work with Vista 64, and I'm wondering if I can simply upgrade my Vista home premium 32 to home premium 64 without having to buy a full retail version? My 64 bit system came with the 32 bit version, and I'm upgrading my MoBo and adding memory, and I want to upgrade the OS to 64 bit to run smoother on my system. Is it just as easy as doing a repair install, or do I need to wipe my HD and start fresh with the 64-bit version? If so, I'll just go straight to windows 7, but I'm fine with Vista as it stands.

I am not concerned with updating drivers and all that; I understand that part of the process, I just want to know if switching the OS from 32 to 64 is relatively smooth and as simple as running the install program and getting MS on the phone to activate it once I'm done. Any thoughts?
 

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Hello Lechgame, and welcome to Vista Forums.

Sorry, but while you can use the same product key to activate either the 32-bit or 64-bit Vista, you can only do a clean install (wipe your system) when going from 32-bit to 64-bit, or the other way around.
 

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You're most welcome. :)
 

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fieseler

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Reading through the 20 pages so far, I found only one entry that closely resembles my question/situation. Someone mentioned that the product key for 32 will work with Vista 64, and I'm wondering if I can simply upgrade my Vista home premium 32 to home premium 64 without having to buy a full retail version? My 64 bit system came with the 32 bit version, and I'm upgrading my MoBo and adding memory, and I want to upgrade the OS to 64 bit to run smoother on my system. Is it just as easy as doing a repair install, or do I need to wipe my HD and start fresh with the 64-bit version? If so, I'll just go straight to windows 7, but I'm fine with Vista as it stands.QUOTE]

Might not be worth upgrading to 64 bit if your going to buy win7 instead of using your current vista key, depending on your system.

Whats your system spec going to be like once you have upgraded mobo etc?
 

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