Slow hard drive access times, gets slower with time!

ssabripo

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This is my 3rd fresh clean install, using both Vista x86 and x64, and all new hardware as well (new mobo, HD's, cpu, ram, etc):

symptom:
after a day of two of creating a user account, the HD access starts to become excruciatingly slow, and gets slower with time. When you use explorer and want to access the Hard drives, the system takes 3-7 seconds to open the folder. When browsing pictures, it takes 3-6 seconds to switch to the next, etc.
Creating a new user account solves the problem temporarily, until a day or two passes, and then the same thing starts to happen! :mad:

What I've tried so far:
- Disabled Indexing (windows Search service)
- Disabled Hard Drive Indexing
- Tried booting up as IDE, as well as AHCI
- Created new install with RAID0, and same issue.

System:
* e8400
* Asus P5Q-E with latest bios
* 2 x 320 WD 3200AAKS Sata drives, 1 x 250 WD 2500AAKS Sata drive
* Asus SATA DVDRW drive
* 4 GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400 (DDR2-800)


I've noticed this problem accelerates even more when using the "sleep" power mode. But even when disabling this, It still happens.

I've googled for over 2 weeks. I've done 3 fresh installs, I've replaced all the HW, and used 3 different copies of Vista Ultimate, with same results! :cry:

UPDATE: here is a video of the problem:
YouTube - Windows Vista Hard Drive performance issue
 
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Fumz

Buggin
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Instead of disabling indexing in the services menu, try setting it to manual. In your hard drive's property sheet, on the general tab, check 'index this drive for faster searching'. See how that works?

Btw, are there any other services you've disabled? That may be a problem. Vista is pretty good about services, unlike XP, and you really don't need to go disabling a bunch of them. Doing so may cause more problems than it's worth.

However, if you must, I would advise setting services you don't want to manual... just in case... and follow Viper's guide: http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/servicecfg.htm
 

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ssabripo

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I haven't touched any other services except "windows search". I just tried your suggestion, and still same issue :(

there is gotta be something I'm missing.
 

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Fumz

Buggin
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Have you made sure to install your chipset drivers?
 

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ssabripo

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Have you made sure to install your chipset drivers?
which chipset drivers? are you talking about these:

* Intel(R) P45/ICH10R Chipset Software Installation Utility WHQL V9.0.0.1009 for Windows XP/Vista & 64bit XP/Vista.

or these:

* Marvell 88SE6111 SATA Controller Driver V1.2.0.57 for Windows XP/Vista & 64bit XP/Vista.
 

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SLAiNTRAX

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Tried disabling Superfetch and defragmenting your HDD with a good tool like O&O Defrag?
 

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ssabripo

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superfetch disabled, and did a quick defrag. Still no dice.

when opening Windows Explorer, the top status bar has a green bar that goes from left to right....in my case, when double clicking on a drive/folder, that bar moves very slowly to about 1/4 of the way (takes about 5-7 seconds now), and then quickly finishes (1-2 seconds), and then it opens the request.

In a fresh new account, it does that almost immediately, so you really don't even see the little green bar.
 

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Fumz

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Have you made sure to install your chipset drivers?
which chipset drivers? are you talking about these:

* Intel(R) P45/ICH10R Chipset Software Installation Utility WHQL V9.0.0.1009 for Windows XP/Vista & 64bit XP/Vista.

or these:

* Marvell 88SE6111 SATA Controller Driver V1.2.0.57 for Windows XP/Vista & 64bit XP/Vista.
I mean the Intel chipset drivers. The Marvell reference must be a typo... Marvell is your lan ports and has nothing to do with SATA drives or drivers, which are included in the Intel chipset drivers.

Maybe it's a power setting? Go to Control Panel/Hardware and Sound/Power Options. Check the High Performance box and then click 'change plan settings'. Then click 'Advanced Power Settings' and expand the + by Hard Disk. Make sure the disk is set to power off never.

Btw, you don't want to disable superfetch.
 

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SLAiNTRAX

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Do you have any old hard drives connected to you PC now? If so disconnect them and see if helps. Do you hear any noises from the drives when accessing one of them? I heard it from my RAID0 array a few hours ago and it took about 5 seconds to open up my music folder.

Happened just now again. Just heard a loud spin up noise from my PC. Everything locked up. Need to take a look what this could be.
 

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    AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2,2GHz
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    MSI K9NU Neo-V
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    2x1GB TwinMOS DDR667 el-cheapo ram
    Graphics Card(s)
    XFX nVidia GeForce 7900GS 256MB
    Sound Card
    Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung SyncMaster 920n
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    2x500GB Samsung HD502IJ in RAID0
    1x500GB Samsung HD502IJ
    1x200GB Samsung SP2004C
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    NorthQ 4001BX 400W
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    Thermaltake Armor Jr.
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    Stock
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    Logitech MX518
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    Microsoft Wireless Photo Keyboard
    Internet Speed
    16000kbps/720kbps (real speed 15200/740)
    Other Info
    Need an upgrade...

ssabripo

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I mean the Intel chipset drivers.
yes, I did that.

Fumz said:
Maybe it's a power setting? Go to Control Panel/Hardware and Sound/Power Options. Check the High Performance box and then click 'change plan settings'. Then click 'Advanced Power Settings' and expand the + by Hard Disk. Make sure the disk is set to power off never.
ok...just put it to never, and still the same. It was set to 20 min.

Fumz said:
Btw, you don't want to disable superfetch.
re-enabled.
 

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ssabripo

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Do you have any old hard drives connected to you PC now? If so disconnect them and see if helps. Do you hear any noises from the drives when accessing one of them? I heard it from my RAID0 array a few hours ago and it took about 5 seconds to open up my music folder.

Happened just now again. Just heard a loud spin up noise from my PC. Everything locked up. Need to take a look what this could be.
I do...but that's not the problem. I've just replaced these drives (the previous drives exhibited similar behavior, so I thought it was a drive issue, thus got them replaced).

also, if it was a drive issue, it would happen consistently to all users. The problem is that it happens on the account after a day or two. If I goto another account, specially a brand new one I create, it works perfectly.

something is happening where Vista starts to store something somewhere in the account once it is left open for some time, and after it is put to sleep. Hell, even opening control panel takes forever. The entire system is at a crawl!!!

going to another account, like the guest or my wife's, works like it should...super fast.
 

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Fumz

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Blaydrnnnr

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This is happening to all accounts you say? after some time? even your wifes and the guest account after some time? Not anything close to an expert here but could this have anything to do with restore? Ghosting an account or your drives?
 

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ssabripo

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This is happening to all accounts you say? after some time? even your wifes and the guest account after some time? Not anything close to an expert here but could this have anything to do with restore? Ghosting an account or your drives?
yes...all accounts eventually. When a new one is created, it is fine. Then, after a couple of days, it starts to slow down....and eventually it is unbearable!

make a new one, and BAM, works great :cry:
 

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bruce2

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Did you replace you SATA cable when you replaced your HD. How about wiggle and push the connection roughly in the way you shouldn't? Lol, that is how I got mine back to work with the same problem as yours. I like to add, you may try different SATA ports on the MB. After market cable works a bit better. Good luck.
 
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ssabripo

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Did you replace you SATA cable when you replaced your HD. How about wiggle and push the connection roughly in the way you shouldn't? Lol, that is how I got mine back to work with the same problem as yours. I like to add, you may try different SATA ports on the MB. After market cable works a bit better. Good luck.
yes..believe me, I've changed the cables, the actual HD's, etc. I've tried even different mother boards (P5Q and P5Q-E) with same results. It is definitely not a hardware issue! this has something to do with a Vista setup or something.

is there any microsoft experts in Miami/Ft-laud that I can call?
 

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NormCameron

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This is a bit of a long shot, after 3 fresh installs, but check in the properties of the IDE channels to ensure the DMA Mode is enabled.

You could also check in BIOS. On the ASUS P5 Boards under IDE ou'll find a SATA mode - this should be Enhanced and SATA should be set to IDE - unless you installed Vista with it set to ACHI
 

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ssabripo

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This is a bit of a long shot, after 3 fresh installs, but check in the properties of the IDE channels to ensure the DMA Mode is enabled.

You could also check in BIOS. On the ASUS P5 Boards under IDE ou'll find a SATA mode - this should be Enhanced and SATA should be set to IDE - unless you installed Vista with it set to ACHI
correct...I've checked the properties under device manager for the IDE, and it gives me either nothing, or set to Ultra DMA 5/6. For example, it shows ATA 0 set to UDMA5, and another ATA 0 set to nothing.

in Bios, I've set the SATA configuration to IDE, ENHANCED. I've also tried AHCI, as well as created a RAID array. In all 3 configurations, it behaves the same. That's why I believe it is a software issue, not a hardware issue.
 

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