Slow hard drive access times, gets slower with time!

Another thought that occurredto me while on another post. Have you looked at your CPU performance using CPU-Z? It is a free download, will tell you how many cores are running and the speed, amongst other things.
 

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I'd try Speedstep first. I think the Home Premium option is a phurphy, this isn't a problem I've encountered before. If all else fails do it but I'm not sure it will resolve the problem.
will do.

but just for my own education, speedstep basically cuts the core multipliers in half, thus saving power, etc, correct? therefore, if the e8400 cpu, which is running at 3.6ghz right now, where to go into speedstep, then it would be running at 1.8ghz....still an acceptable speed, given that the e6300 was 1.8ghz stock.

or is there more to speedstep that I'm missing? :geek:
 

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Another thought that occurredto me while on another post. Have you looked at your CPU performance using CPU-Z? It is a free download, will tell you how many cores are running and the speed, amongst other things.
yes...I did CPUZ. it is running ok, but a bit wierd:

during some load:
405 fsb x9 multi: 3.7ghz
4-4-4-12 RAM, 1:1 ratio, 400hz

now, when no load, it goes to:
405 fsb x6 multi, 2.5 ghz
ram stays the same.

I googled and asked about this the very 1st day, and found out that it is normal (supposedly). I assume this is how speedstep is working in BIOS.
 

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Yes, Speedstep reduces your core speed when the CPU is idle. You still have 3.0ghz of processing power. Incidently, did you just drop a bomb on me? Did you say you have overclocked the CPU? What settings did you change to do this and what are your temps?

What are the recommended settings for your RAM? i.e. 800mhz 4,4,4,12? or something else (Not what they are currently running at!)
 
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Yes, Speedstep reduces your core speed when the CPU is idle. You still have 3.0ghz of processing power. Incidently, did you just drop a bomb on me? Did you say you have overclocked the CPU? What settings did you change to do this and what are your temps?
yes, I'm overclocking, but just recently. I had this issue at stock form as well.

I changed:
FSB from 333 to 405
manually set RAM timings: 4-4-4-12, Vram= 2.0v (manufacturer specs)
Vcore = 1.25v

however, keep in mind that with everything in AUTO mode, this issue was still happening.
 

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It's pretty hard to troubleshoot an overclocked system when the overclock could be part of the equation. First rule - start with a stable system before you overclock!!! Go into BIOS. Press F5. Load Defaults and lets start again tomorrow.
 

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It's pretty hard to troubleshoot an overclocked system when the overclock could be part of the equation. First rule - start with a stable system before you overclock!!! Go into BIOS. Press F5. Load Defaults and lets start again tomorrow.
Yep... I will do that at lunch time. But I can already guarantee you this issue was present at default mode a few days ago. :cry:

I hope you are right and I'm wrong and something wierd happened. I just find it wierd that if OC'ing was the issue, it would cause it "ONLY" on the bad account and not on a fresh one.
 

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by the way, this is the jumper configuration I have (no jumpers on mine):

sata.gif
 

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Generally speaking you don't need to set jumpers on a SATA drive. On SATA hard drives, jumper settings enable or disable enterprise-level features.

SSC Mode (Default 1): spread spectrum clocking feature enabled
or disabled. Default 1 setting is disabled or jumper shunt placed
on pins 1–2. Removing the jumper enables the spread spectrum
clocking feature.
SSC Mode (Default 2): spread spectrum clocking feature enabled
or disabled. Default 2 setting is disabled or no jumper shunt
placed on pins 1–2. Adding the jumper to pins 1–2 enables the
spread spectrum clocking feature.
PM2 Enabled Mode: to enable power-up in standby (power
management 2 or PM2) mode, place a jumper on pins 3–4.
This mode enables controlled spinup by spinup command
in accordance with ATA standard and is mainly for
server/workstation environments operating in multiple-drive.

I am not sure how relevant this is to your problem?

It's pretty hard to troubleshoot an overclocked system when the overclock could be part of the equation. First rule - start with a stable system before you overclock!!! Go into BIOS. Press F5. Load Defaults and lets start again tomorrow.
Yep... I will do that at lunch time. But I can already guarantee you this issue was present at default mode a few days ago. :cry:

I hope you are right and I'm wrong and something wierd happened. I just find it wierd that if OC'ing was the issue, it would cause it "ONLY" on the bad account and not on a fresh one.

Isn't the problem that a New Account becomes a "bad" account after a short period of time? And this despite you having re-installed Vista and created new accounts?

And I am not saying that overclocking is the culprit. I don't think it is causing that particular problem ( I don't KNOW what is causing the problem), BUT, first things first. The benefits you get from overstressing your system do not include resolving this problem and it becomes one more factor to consider. The old KISS principal should apply (Keep It Simple S**) The less you have to worry about the more likely you are to resolve the issue.

Just a little explanation on PC Troubleshooting should help.

Step 1. Get rid of superfluous confusing stuff, such as "Is it the O/s" or "Is it Software" or Is it Hardware"
Some problems are obviously software or hardware. If they aren't so obvious

If you suspect Hardware - Cables, Disk Drives, RAM, Graphics cards, sound cards.

Look at installed Software, (Nero and Norton are often culprits) Codecs etc. If it is O/s and not obvious, do a fresh install.

Each step is a small one and can be frustrating. Try to be patient and logical. The process is one of elimination, like a detective. Try not to complicate the search by introducing new variables. Remove variables from the equation by swapping RAM, removing the Graphic Card and running on-board Graphics, same with the Audio card. Leave them out until the problemis resolved. It could be a combination, rather than a single factor.
 
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ok...here is a quick little clue:

i tried to update to the latest bios that was just released a day ago...it was 2mb, so I couldn't put it in the floppy and use the BIOS update within bios (unless I used a CD). Anyways, there is an Asus "bios update" app in windows, and when I tried to install it, it gave me some Bios.dll error:

"no asus motherboard detected...terminating install" :eek4:

I ran CPUZ, and it shows the asus mobo, the model, etc, etc, but the install app didn't. I'm wondering if that is just an install issue, or there is something actually wrong in that vista's dll doesn't see it as an asus mobo!

dont know what to make of this.
 

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by the way:

i did eventually update bios (via cd), and reset everything to default. Disabled Speedstep, and still happens in that one account.

I disconnected the other two drives, and the Sata dvd drive as well, and it still happens.
 

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by the way:

i did eventually update bios (via cd), and reset everything to default. Disabled Speedstep, and still happens in that one account.

I disconnected the other two drives, and the Sata dvd drive as well, and it still happens.

Hi ssabripo, In your first post you said that after a period of time a new account slows down. That means, to me, that you have no "good" accounts left on your computer after 2 days, despite having re-installed Vista 3 times? Is this the case? Or, as your last post suggests, you have only have one "bad" account now? I am getting just a little confused, and somewhat frustrated, as you seem to keep changing the problem.
Also I don't think this has ever been a hard drive problem, just asked that you check the cables.
 

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    4 X Samsung 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA-II HDD w. 16MB Cache .
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I would honestly try home premium or something other than what you are using now, but if that is not a possibility....... I read through most of the posts, so if I missed this dont yell at me. I recently read that WD hard drives needed an updated driver to run properly on vista. Now I cant remember if this was for external drives or not. I might be completely off base because I am not an expert, but I thought I would through it out there.

Jeremy
 

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Another question. What sort of keyboard are you using?
 

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    Zotac Amp Edition 8800GT - 512MB DDR3, O/C 700mhz
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    4 X Samsung 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA-II HDD w. 16MB Cache .
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I'd try Speedstep first. I think the Home Premium option is a phurphy, this isn't a problem I've encountered before. If all else fails do it but I'm not sure it will resolve the problem.
will do.

but just for my own education, speedstep basically cuts the core multipliers in half, thus saving power, etc, correct? therefore, if the e8400 cpu, which is running at 3.6ghz right now, where to go into speedstep, then it would be running at 1.8ghz....still an acceptable speed, given that the e6300 was 1.8ghz stock.

or is there more to speedstep that I'm missing? :geek:
How bout until we get this resolved we not overclock?
 

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    X-Fi XtremeGamer
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    Samsung 226BW
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    500GB W.D. RE2 Primary
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Hi Mustangsupra, you may be right if the problem is with Vista 64. I am not sure it is, or at this stage what the problem is exactly. The problem with WD drives you mentioned is not confined to Vista 64, but, as I understand it, relates to external drives.
 

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    Zotac Amp Edition 8800GT - 512MB DDR3, O/C 700mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 206BW
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    1680 X 1024
    Hard Drives
    4 X Samsung 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA-II HDD w. 16MB Cache .
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    550 w
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I would honestly try home premium or something other than what you are using now, but if that is not a possibility....... I read through most of the posts, so if I missed this dont yell at me. I recently read that WD hard drives needed an updated driver to run properly on vista. Now I cant remember if this was for external drives or not. I might be completely off base because I am not an expert, but I thought I would through it out there.

Jeremy
Nah... I'm running a WD RE2 500GB and a WD Green 1TB drive, none of them require additional drivers. I've also got two 250GB Caviar drives running on other Vista machines... they don't need additional drivers either.
 

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    eVGA 8800 GTS
    Sound Card
    X-Fi XtremeGamer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 226BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
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    500GB W.D. RE2 Primary
    1TB W.D. Caviar GP WD10EACS
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    PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610
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    Lian Li Lancool K62
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Hi ssabripo, don't get the idea that we think your overclock is the problem. If you have a decent CP cooler (not the stock cooler) your CPU and memory are quite capable of running as a stable overclock of 3.6mhz, and even higher, with a bit of research. In our discussions I haven't seen anything to raise alarm bells. You seem to have a good grasp on what you are doing and I appreciate your willingness to work with us. I know you are struggling a bit. So am I. The reason for going back to defaults is simply to eliminate extra variables. It is important to keep an open mind here and not get locked into any fixed notion of the problem. For example, in a recent post you referred to a single "bad" account. If the others are OK we are looking at the wrong things and the problem is most likely some corruption in that account. Another possibility is what you have loaded onto the system. Programs, files, folders. Is it a virus you are carrying from re-install to re-install?

By now you would have

Restored your system to it's default setting.
Checked Cables, Ram and Hard Drives.
Removed a pair of RAM sticks and run with just 2 sticks.
Have you done this and what is the result. Is the problem still there? Is it still in all Accounts or confined to one?
 

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    Zotac Amp Edition 8800GT - 512MB DDR3, O/C 700mhz
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 206BW
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    1680 X 1024
    Hard Drives
    4 X Samsung 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA-II HDD w. 16MB Cache .
    PSU
    550 w
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Forgot, disable Speedstep,
The removing RAM is just to check MOBO , RAM compatability. Just eliminating things.
 

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    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung 206BW
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1024
    Hard Drives
    4 X Samsung 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA-II HDD w. 16MB Cache .
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    550 w
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    Thermaltake
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